Angular velocity of an atom in a magnetic field

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The problem involves analyzing the angular velocity of an electron in a circular orbit around a nucleus within a uniform magnetic field. The original poster presents an equation of motion that needs to be solved for angular velocity, with a specific focus on the behavior of the solution under small magnetic field conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of small magnetic field values on the dominant terms in the equation. There is a focus on approximating the roots of the equation and the significance of terms when B approaches zero. Some participants express confusion regarding the phrasing of the question and its connection to previous sections.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying the relationships between the terms in the equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the motion in a rotating frame and the resulting equations, but no consensus has been reached on the exact approach to take.

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Participants note that the original phrasing of the question may have led to misunderstandings about the expected results. There is also mention of specific assumptions regarding the magnetic field's orientation and its effects on the motion of the electron.

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Homework Statement


The orbit of an electron ([itex]-e[/itex]) around a nucleus ([itex]Ze[/itex]) is a circular orbit of radius [itex]a[/itex] in a plane perpendicular to a uniform magnetic field [itex]\textbf{B}[/itex]. By writing the equation of motion in a frame rotating with the electron, show that the angular velocity [itex]\omega[/itex] is given by one of the roots of the equation
[tex] m\omega^2 - eB\omega-Ze^2/4 \pi \epsilon_0 a^3 = 0[/tex]
Verif that for small values of [itex]B[/itex] this is
[tex] \omega = \frac{eB}{2m}[/tex]

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So I've done the first part. The second part I would assume is just finding the root and making an approximation, so:
[tex] \omega = \frac{eB}{2m} \pm \sqrt{\left (\frac{eB}{2m}\right)^2 + \frac{Ze^2}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 m a^3}}[/tex]
but the trouble is that the small [itex]B[/itex] would suggest the second term in the square root is dominant. The approximation they used to get the same result before was that the first term is much smaller than the second, in the square root.
 
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Dazed&Confused said:
the small BBB would suggest the second term in the square root is dominant
Quite so. It seems to me that the leading term is missing from the given answer, namely, the value that omega would have if B were zero.
 
I have to say the question wasn't exactly phrased like this. It wanted you to get the same result as the previous section, which was the one I quoted.
 
I think realized the issue, and it's down to me not paying attention. I looked at the example again and what they did was work in a rotating frame with angular velocity [itex]-qB/2m[/itex] and from that got the equation
[tex] \ddot{\textbf{r}} = -\frac{k}{mr^2}\hat{\textbf{r}}[/tex]
where [itex]k= qq'/4 \pi \epsilon_0[/itex]. This produces an elliptical orbit. The ellipse precesses with angular velocity [itex]-qB/2m[/itex]. Now for a circle this just means that you add the two motions to find the angular velocity. The angular velocity of the ellipse turned circle is
[tex] \sqrt{\frac{k}{mr^3}}[/tex]
which is precisely that second term in the square root.

For completeness if you take their example the other way and assume that the magnetic field is perpendicular to the position vector then you have
[tex] \ddot{\textbf{r}} = -\left ( \frac{qB}{2m}\right)^2 \textbf{r}[/tex]
which is also an ellipse with angular velocity [itex]qB/2m[/itex], i.e. the first term.
 

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