Angular velocity of an oxygen molecule.

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the angular velocity of an oxygen molecule, considering its rotational and translational kinetic energies. The problem involves concepts from molecular physics and rotational dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate angular velocity using given molecular speed and distances, while expressing uncertainty about their method for determining moment of inertia.
  • Some participants suggest that the mass of the oxygen atoms may not need to be computed, proposing a symbolic approach instead.
  • Others raise questions about the correctness of the relationship between rotational and translational kinetic energies.
  • One participant provides an alternative calculation method, leading to a similar angular velocity result.
  • Another participant points out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, specifically regarding the squaring of speed and the mass used for the moment of inertia.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to calculating angular velocity, and there are multiple interpretations being explored without a clear consensus on the correct method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of precision in calculations, particularly in relation to significant figures based on the provided data. There is also mention of the age of the thread, which may influence the nature of responses.

j_namtirach
Messages
10
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



The atoms in the oxygen molecule [O][/2] may be considered to be point masses separated by a distance of 1.2 x 10^-10 m. The molecular speed of an oxygen molecule at s.t.p. is 460 m/s. Given that the rotational kinetic energy of the molecule is two-thirds the of its translational kinetic energy, calculate its angular velocity at s.t.p. assuming that molecular rotation takes place about an axis through the centre of, and perpendicular to, the line joining the atoms.



Homework Equations



K.E. = 1/2 mv^2
K.E. = 1/2 Iω^2
I = ∑mr^2
n = N/Na
m = nμ



The Attempt at a Solution



no. moles of oxygen = 1/6.02 x 10^23 = 1.66 x 10^-24 mol

mass of oxygen molecule = (1.66 x 10^-24) x 32 = 5.32 x 10^-23 g = 5.32 x 10^-26 kg

translational K.E. of oxygen molecule = 0.5 x (5.32 x 10^-26) x 460 = 1.22 x 10^-23 J

rotational K.E. of oxygen molecule = 2/3 x 1.22 x 10^-23 J = 8.15 x 10^-24 J

I = 2(mr^2) = 2((5.32 x 10^-32) x (6 x 10^-11)^2) = 3.83 x 10^-46 kg m^2

angular velocity of oxygen molecule, ω = sqrt(((8.15 x 10^-24) x 2)/3.83 x 10^-46) = 2.06 x 10^11 rad/s


I think the correct answer is 6.3 x 10^12 rad/s. I'm not sure where I have gone wrong here. I'm not sure if I used the correct method for working out the moment of inertia. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You do not have to compute the mass of the oxygen atoms to obtain your answer. You can treat the two oxygen atoms as point masses rotating about an axis through the centre of rotation. So, if you carry the calculation through symbolically, the mass term should cancel.

Should you not have ##E_{\text{rot}} = \frac{2}{3} E_{\text{trans}}##?
 
OK, I've got it now, thanks!
 
I don't know if this is the way...but I kind of got the close answer....

we have d = 1.2 × 10^-10
r = d/2 = 0.6 × 10 ^-10
v = 460

3 × rotational KE = 2 × translational KE
(3 . I . w^2 ) / 2 = (2 . m . v^2) / 2
3 . m . r^2 . w^2 = 2 . m . v^2
w^2 = (2/3) . v^2/r^2
w = ✓(2/3) . v/r
w = ✓(2/3) . 460/0.6×10^-10
w = ✓(2/3) . (7.67 × 10^12)
w = 6.26 × 10^12 rad/s
 
Prabin Acharya said:
I don't know if this is the way...but I kind of got the close answer....
Welcome to PF. :smile:

We usually don't allow full solutions to be posted in Homework threads (except by the Original Poster, of course), but since this question thread is 8 years old, it is okay in this case.

In active schoolwork threads, please provide hints, ask probing questions, find mistakes, etc. But please do not post solutions in active schoolwork threads -- we require that the student do the bulk of the work. Thanks. :smile:
 
Prabin Acharya said:
I don't know if this is the way...but I kind of got the close answer....

we have d = 1.2 × 10^-10
r = d/2 = 0.6 × 10 ^-10
v = 460

3 × rotational KE = 2 × translational KE
(3 . I . w^2 ) / 2 = (2 . m . v^2) / 2
3 . m . r^2 . w^2 = 2 . m . v^2
w^2 = (2/3) . v^2/r^2
w = ✓(2/3) . v/r
w = ✓(2/3) . 460/0.6×10^-10
w = ✓(2/3) . (7.67 × 10^12)
w = 6.26 × 10^12 rad/s
Your only mistake is in regards to precision. The diameter is only given to two sig figs, so your answer should not have more. Rounding your 6.26 to 6.3 completes it.
 
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: berkeman
There are two errors in the OP:
j_namtirach said:
translational K.E. of oxygen molecule = 0.5 x (5.32 x 10^-26) x 460 = 1.22 x 10^-23 J
You have forgotten to square the speed.
j_namtirach said:
I = 2(mr^2) = 2((5.32 x 10^-32) x (6 x 10^-11)^2) = 3.83 x 10^-46 kg m^2
You need to use the mass of an oxygen atom, not an oxygen molecule. (Or else, like @Prabin Acharya, use the molecular mass and the formula I = mr2.)
 
mjc123 said:
There are two errors in the OP
Which is eight years old.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: nasu

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
8K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
10K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K