Another, what should be simple, derivative question

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = sqrt(2x + 5) using the definition of a derivative. Participants explore the steps involved in applying this definition and the implications of errors in the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the limit definition of the derivative but expresses confusion over a specific step involving the denominator. Other participants point out potential errors and suggest clarifications regarding the limit evaluation.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, indicating areas for correction. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the steps taken, and while some guidance is offered, there is no explicit consensus on the final answer.

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The original poster mentions that this exercise is for practice rather than formal homework, and there is an ongoing learning process regarding the chain rule. Additionally, formatting questions arise, indicating a desire to improve presentation in mathematical expressions.

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This is not homework but it is more practise for me. We have to find the derivative of f(x) = sqrt(2x + 5) using the definition of a derivative, I used to remember how to do this but now I am not able to figure out what I am doing wrong.

Here is what I have.

y' = lim(h -> 0) [sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)] / h

y' = (lim(h -> 0) [sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)] / h) * ([sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) + sqrt(2x + 5)] / [sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) + sqrt(2x + 5)])

y' = lim(h -> 0) [2(x + h) + 5 - (2x + 5)] / h[sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)]

y' = lim(h-> 0) [2x + 2h + 5 - 2x - 5] / h[sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)]

y' = lim(h ->0) 2h / h[sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)]

y' = lim(h->0) 2 / [sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) - sqrt(2x + 5)]

I have no idea how to format the questions to make them look nice.
 
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On line 2, you have a + in the denominator which you turn into a - in line 3. It should stay as a +, not beomce a -. You'll then be able to evaluate the limit properly, and you'll get the answer you'd expect had you used the power and chain rules.
 
Lol, that would just be an error here and not on my paper, as well we are learning the chain rule this week. But back to the question.

y' = lim(h->0) 2 / [sqrt(2{x + h} + 5) + sqrt(2x + 5)]

This would then be?

y' = 2 / [sqrt(2{x + 0} + 5) + sqrt(2x + 5)]

y' = 2 / [sqrt(2x + 5) + sqrt(2x + 5)]

and that would be the final answer?
 
Yes, that's very much correct.
The two terms in the denominator are the same, so you can simplify one bit more:

y'=1/sqrt(2x+5)
 
Another way to do it is to use this definition

[tex]f'(x)=:\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x)-f(x)}{\Delta x}[/tex].

Daniel.

Edit. OOps, you used this one, i thought you used the other. It's simpler with the other one.
 
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Just out of curiosity and wanting to learn about calculus... what is the other way to do it?

As well, how do you format the math to look like that?
 
JayDub said:
Just out of curiosity and wanting to learn about calculus... what is the other way to do it?

As well, how do you format the math to look like that?
To format the math, just click on the picture above and it will give you the source.

You can also learn the code here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997

As far as calculus goes, you will learn that the derivative with respect to x of xa is a*xa-1. You can then use the rules of derivatives to find derivatives of more complicated functions.
 

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