Answer: Prove Oscillation of Subintervals in [c,d] with η < ω_f (x)

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The discussion revolves around proving that if the oscillation ω_f (x) of a function f is smaller than η at each point x in the interval [c,d], then there exists a partition π of [c,d] such that the oscillation ωf([x_(k-1),x_k]) is less than η for each subinterval. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques related to oscillation and compactness.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that since the condition on x is local, it must hold for a δ-neighborhood of x, leading to the conclusion that a suitable partition can be constructed.
  • Others clarify that the definition of oscillation involves limits and ε-δ arguments, suggesting a more rigorous approach to the proof.
  • A later reply questions the use of a specific partition of equal length, noting that the variable t depends on the particular x and suggesting it should be denoted as t_x.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of compactness, stating that by the compactness of [c,d], a finite number of points can be chosen to cover the interval, which could facilitate the proof.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the compactness argument and seek clarification on its implications for the proof.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a rigorous proof but express differing views on the specifics of the partition and the application of compactness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to finalize the proof.

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The discussion includes limitations related to the understanding of compact sets and the implications of variable dependencies in the proof structure. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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Q: Suppose that the oscillation ω_f (x) of a function f is smaller than η at each point x of an interval [c,d]. Show that there must be a partition π of [c,d] s.t. the oscillation
ωf([x_(k-1),x_k ])<η
on each member of the partition.

My solution (Rough sketch):

This condition on x is local, so it must be true for a δ-neightborhood of x s.t. ωf(δ(x))<η. Now take a partition s.t. each subinterval [x_(k-1),x_k ]<δ. Thus, each subinterval is less than the δ from the δ-neightborhood of x, so then
ωf([x_(k-1),x_k ])[itex]\leq[/itex]ωf(δ(x))<η. QED

Is this logic too sloppy? If so, does anyone have any suggestions as to a more proper way to prove this?
 
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GridironCPJ said:
Q: Suppose that the oscillation ω_f (x) of a function f is smaller than η at each point x of an interval [c,d]. Show that there must be a partition π of [c,d] s.t. the oscillation
ωf([x_(k-1),x_k ])<η
on each member of the partition.

My solution (Rough sketch):

This condition on x is local, so it must be true for a δ-neightborhood of x s.t. ωf(δ(x))<η. Now take a partition s.t. each subinterval [x_(k-1),x_k ]<δ. Thus, each subinterval is less than the δ from the δ-neightborhood of x, so then
ωf([x_(k-1),x_k ])[itex]\leq[/itex]ωf(δ(x))<η. QED

Is this logic too sloppy? If so, does anyone have any suggestions as to a more proper way to prove this?

"The oscillation ω_f (x) of a function f is smaller than η at each point x of an interval [c,d]" means [itex]\lim_{t \to 0^+} \omega_{[x-t,x+t]}f(x)=h<\eta\Longrightarrow \forall \epsilon>0\,\,\exists \delta>0\,\,s.t.[/itex]

[itex]0<t<\delta\Longrightarrow \left|\omega_{[x-t, x+t]}f(x)-h\right|<\epsilon[/itex] .

Can you take it from here?

DonAntonio
 


DonAntonio said:
"The oscillation ω_f (x) of a function f is smaller than η at each point x of an interval [c,d]" means [itex]\lim_{t \to 0^+} \omega_{[x-t,x+t]}f(x)=h<\eta\Longrightarrow \forall \epsilon>0\,\,\exists \delta>0\,\,s.t.[/itex]

[itex]0<t<\delta\Longrightarrow \left|\omega_{[x-t, x+t]}f(x)-h\right|<\epsilon[/itex] .

Can you take it from here?

DonAntonio

That's a much nicer definition of what's going on. Now, I can simply just take a partition of [c, d] s.t. each subinterval of the partition is of equal length, specifically [x-t, x+t], which satisfies the definition of being less than η. Correct?
 


GridironCPJ said:
That's a much nicer definition of what's going on. Now, I can simply just take a partition of [c, d] s.t. each subinterval of the partition is of equal length, specifically [x-t, x+t], which satisfies the definition of being less than η. Correct?



Well, no, since "t" depends on the particular [itex]x\in [c,d][/itex] are we working with -- and thus it' would have been wiser

to denote it by [itex]t_x[/itex] --, but then you can argue as follows:

Since clearly our original interval [itex][c,d]\subset \cup_{x\in [c,d]}(x-t_x,x+t_x)[/itex] and it is a compact set in the

real line, there exists a finite number of points...etc.

DonAntonio
 


DonAntonio said:
Well, no, since "t" depends on the particular [itex]x\in [c,d][/itex] are we working with -- and thus it' would have been wiser

to denote it by [itex]t_x[/itex] --, but then you can argue as follows:

Since clearly our original interval [itex][c,d]\subset \cup_{x\in [c,d]}(x-t_x,x+t_x)[/itex] and it is a compact set in the

real line, there exists a finite number of points...etc.

DonAntonio

You lost me on the finite number of points part. I appologize, as my compactness knowledge is quite scarse.
 


GridironCPJ said:
You lost me on the finite number of points part. I appologize, as my compactness knowledge is quite scarse.



Well, if you haven't yet studied compact sets I, for one, cannot help you. The continuation of my idea is:

By compactness of [c,d] there exist a finite number of points [itex]x_1,...,x_n\,\,s.t.\,\,[c,d]\subset \cup_{i=1}^n (x_i-t_{x_i},x_i+t_{x_i})[/itex] , so now we can choose

[itex]t:=\max_i\{t_{x_i}\}[/itex] and now yes: end the proof as you wanted before.

DonAntonio
 


DonAntonio said:
Well, if you haven't yet studied compact sets I, for one, cannot help you. The continuation of my idea is:

By compactness of [c,d] there exist a finite number of points [itex]x_1,...,x_n\,\,s.t.\,\,[c,d]\subset \cup_{i=1}^n (x_i-t_{x_i},x_i+t_{x_i})[/itex] , so now we can choose

[itex]t:=\max_i\{t_{x_i}\}[/itex] and now yes: end the proof as you wanted before.

DonAntonio

I've been briefly introduced to a few compactness arguments. I see what you mean now, thank you for your help.
 

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