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The discussion revolves around questions related to functions, set theory, and cardinality, including comparisons of sets, properties of functions, and principles of mathematical induction. The scope includes homework-related inquiries and conceptual clarifications in mathematics.

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  • Participants inquire about the equality and cardinality of sets A and B, with specific examples provided for analysis.
  • Some participants discuss the verification of functions g and h defined in terms of other functions f1 and f2.
  • There are requests for expressing mathematical principles, such as the Pigeon-hole Principle and the Well Ordering Principle, in predicate logic.
  • One participant suggests using LaTeX for clearer mathematical notation and provides a specific example of a bijective function from natural numbers to integers.
  • Another participant expresses concern that the original poster's use of special fonts and symbols makes their questions difficult to read.
  • Some participants indicate that the questions may be related to homework and reference forum rules about not assisting with for-credit assignments.

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There is no consensus on the specific questions posed, as participants express varying levels of understanding and willingness to assist, particularly regarding homework policies. Some participants emphasize the need for clearer communication and effort in presenting questions.

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Participants note the importance of formatting and clarity in mathematical questions, suggesting that unclear notation may hinder effective assistance. There are also references to forum rules regarding homework help.

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This discussion may be useful for students seeking assistance with concepts in set theory, functions, and mathematical principles, as well as those interested in effective communication in mathematical contexts.

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Hellohow are towdayyyyyy??
I have quistion
and I hope you answer**************************
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Re: Qustion in Funiction

noof said:
Hellohow are towdayyyyyy??
I have quistion(Whew)
and I hope you answer**************************

In each of the following two sets, A and B, are given. Answer the following questions about each
pair of them.
(a) Is A = B?
(b) Is A  B?
(c) Is B  A?
(d) Compare the cardinalities of A and B.
(i) A = P(P(P(;))) B = P(P(P(P(;))))
(ii) A = P(X [ Y ) B = P(X) [ PY )
(iii) A = P(X \ Y ) B = P(X) \ P(Y )
(iv) A = P(X  Y ) B = P(X)  P(Y )

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Let X be a set and let f1 and f2 be functions from A to R. For x 2 X let g(x) = f1(x) + f2(x) and
h(x) = f1(x)f2(x). Verify that g and h are functions.

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In class we showed that jZ+j = jNj and that jZ􀀀j = jNj. Give a bijective function f : N ! Z to
show that jNj = jZj (i.e. cardinality of the set of natural numbers ([f0; 1; 2; 3; : : :g) is the same as the
cardinality of set of all integers).
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Using de nitions of the set operations show that if


X  Y and X  Z then X  Y \ Z

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Express the following in terms of predicate logic (using nested quanti er and appropriately de ned
predicates).
(a) If jXj < jY j, then there can not be an onto function from X to Y .
(b) If jXj > jY j, then there can not be an one-to-one function from X to Y .
(c) Principle of mathematical induction is an important proof technique which works as follows:
Suppose we want to show that the predicate P is true for all positive integers n, we complete
two steps.
 Basis step: Show that P is true for 1.
 Inductive step: Show that for every positive integer k, if P is true for k then P is true
for k + 1.
(d) The principle of Well Ordering states that \every nonempty set of positive integers has a
minimum element".
(e) The Pigeon-hole Principle states that if n+1 pigeons are placed in n pigeon-holes then some
pigeon-hole must contain more than 1 pigeons. **************************************************************************************************

pleeeeeeez help me any Q ...

Your use of goofy symbols and special fonts makes your question unreadable.
If you expect any help, edit your post. Get rid of any special fonts and/or junk symbols.
 
Re: Qustion in Funiction

Hello, and welcome to the forum!

I'd like to remind a couple of http://www.mathhelpboards.com/misc.php?do=vsarules:
8. Do not ask too many questions in one thread. Do not ask more than two questions in a post.

11. Show some effort. If you want help with a question it is expected that you will show some effort. Effort might include showing your working, taking the time to learn how to typeset equations using LaTeX, formatting your question so that it is more easily understood, using effective post titles and posting in the appropriate subforum, making a genuine attempt to understand the help that is given before asking for more help and learning from previous questions asked.

It's also pretty difficult to understand your notation. Try writing your questions using LaTeX. Put formulas between two $\$$'s. For example, $\$$ \emptyset \subseteq A^B $\$$ gives $\emptyset\subseteq A^B$ (JavaScript needs to be enabled). You can right-click on a formula to see its LaTeX source code. See this LaTeX tutorial on Wikibooks, especially here and here. You could also copy-paste mathematical Unicode symbols from this Wikipedia page, though using LaTeX is preferred. Finally, many mathematical symbols can be typed using plain text and English, e.g., f : A -> B, x is in A, A is a subset of B, etc.

Concerning a bijective function $f:\mathbb{N}\to\mathbb{Z}$, consider
\[
f(n)=
\begin{cases}
k&\text{when }n=2k\\
-k-1&\text{when }n=2k+1
\end{cases}
\]
 
Re: Qustion in Funiction

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pleeeeeeeeeeeeez help me un any quistion
 

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Re: Qustion in Funiction

It seems like this is homework. http://www.mathhelpboards.com/misc.php?do=vsarules (rule #6) is not to help with for-credit assignments. Sorry. However, you are still welcome to discuss concepts that you covered, e.g., bijection, induction, well-ordering principle, etc.
 
Thanks for all

I hope that anyone trying to understand this topic
 
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