Anyone else living paycheck to paycheck?

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Living paycheck to paycheck is a common struggle, with one user detailing their financial situation, leaving them with only $145 for two weeks after essential expenses. The discussion highlights the challenges of managing a low income, with many participants noting the high costs of living and the burden of student loans and car payments. Suggestions include downsizing expenses, such as switching to used cars and reducing utility costs, to alleviate financial strain. The conversation also touches on the disparity in starting salaries across different fields and locations, emphasizing the impact of cost of living on perceived income. Overall, the thread reflects a shared experience of financial hardship and the search for practical solutions.
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$17.26 left in bank account. Can't wait to get paid on Fri. Oh wait that's right, I'll be broke again as soon as I get paid.


$1160

-$433 rent
-$135 student loan
-$125 heating
-$65 cable/internet
-$55 electricity
-$125 car insurance
-$30 water
-$50 phone
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Hey look at that, that leaves me with $145 for the next two weeks for gas and food.
Guess I will be eating a lot of Ramen.

LOL and I thought a $50 K year income was a "livable" income for a single person.
 
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$1160/month adds up to 13k a year.

You should get around 2.5k per month after taxes at 50k. Where is the rest of your money going?
 
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Cyrus said:
$1160/month adds up to 13k a year.

You should get around 2.5k per month after taxes at 50k. Where is the rest of your money going?

that is a bi weekly pay check. $1160 is a biweekly check after tax, 401 k contribution, health, and dental.


Mid month is

-$420 for car payments
-$250 student loans
-$ whatever balance I put on my credit card at the beginning of the month to help me last until mid month's pay check.
 
You have been working for a while now, why don't you have a raise? 50k is low. My friend started at 55k in HVAC as a mechanical E. Almost all my friends started at 55k.
 
Opps how did this get into politics? Must have made a mistake. Could you please move to general?
 
I used to visit a student website in Japan, those student admins were mainly taught and supported by some in the US, some of them posted a similar thread like. Why shouldn't you go back and search there for this and representatives, living expense supporters, outlook help, etc, they have all sort of news?
 
Cyrus said:
You have been working for a while now, why don't you have a raise? 50k is low. My friend started at 55k in HVAC as a mechanical E. Almost all my friends started at 55k.


And I know a lot of college graduates who started at only 30 K. Engineers will typically make more than us science majors. Plus the cost of living contributes to how high salaries go in different parts of the country. Making $65 grand in NYC would be about the same as making $50 grand somewhere else.
 
Oops, srry if it weren't you who posted that thread then forgive my nonsense interrupt
 
Jekertee said:
I used to visit a student website in Japan, those student admins were mainly taught and supported by some in the US, some of them posted a similar thread like. Why shouldn't you go back and search there for this and representatives, living expense supporters, outlook help, etc, they have all sort of news?



Strange. I have no idea what to make of this post.
 
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gravenewworld said:
And I know a lot of college graduates who started at only 30 K. Engineers will typically make more than us science majors. Plus the cost of living contributes to how high salaries go in different parts of the country. Making $65 grand in NYC would be about the same as making $50 grand somewhere else.

Yikes. 30k a year is appalling. Isnt that borderline welfare income?
 
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Cyrus said:
Yikes. 30k a year is appalling. Isnt that borderline welfare income?

Yeah, I keep telling my brother that. What do you expect from an art major though?
 
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Honestly, I'll probably ending moving back to my parents house for 3 years and using all the money I save on rent and utilities to 1st pay off my car and then put a huge dent in my student loans. :::sigh::: nothing will be worse than being 26 and still be having to live with your parents.
 
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What kinda car do you have, and how much are your student loans?

In the end, my total cost of undergrad is I think somewhere around $22k.
 
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I drive a Mazda 3, it isn't like I am driving a BMW.

I borrowed about $42 K in loans to go to school. If I ever have a kid they are NEVER going to attend a private university. It is a complete waste of money when you can get the same education at a public state university for half the cost.
 
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Its scandalous that you have to pay anything for access to Education...
 
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Anttech said:
Its scandalous that you have to pay anything for access to Education...

yeah tell me about it.
 
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gravenewworld said:
Hey look at that, that leaves me with $145 for the next two weeks for gas and food.
Guess I will be eating a lot of Ramen.
That's $10 a day. How much for gas and how much for food?
 
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gravenewworld said:
-$433 rent
-$135 student loan
-$125 heating
-$65 cable/internet
-$55 electricity
-$125 car insurance
-$30 water
-$50 phone
You're paying too much for heat + electricity. See if your area utility has a year-round payment plan. You can live w/o cable; for internet switch to DSL, slim down your phone service to "local/basic" (essentially for 911 calls) and buy the least expensive Vodafone plan that's being offered.
 
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$1160 is a biweekly check after tax, 401 k contribution, health, and dental.
1160 * 26 / 12 = $2513/month, with 401k, health, and dental already paid for

2513 starting

-433 rent
-135 student loan
-125 heating
-65 cable/internet
-55 electricity
-125 car insurance
-30 water
-50 phone
-420 for car payments
-250 student loans (two separate student loans?)

=820 left over for food, gasoline, clothes, etc.

That's actually very good, assuming you work ~40 hours per week. What is your job and how long have you been in that field?

Your mistake was buying a new car. Everyone on this forum has probably made that same mistake, including myself, but we learn from it. The up front cost is easily 5-10x as much as a good used car, and to add insult to injury, the insurance is several times as expensive because a dealership won't finance the car unless you have comprehensive insurance. Minimum insurance for my car is 150/month now that the car is paid for; it was 350/month for comprehensive in that 6 month period where I owed money on the car.
Buy only used cars in the future.
 
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I have to agree with ShawnD: cars are one of the worst debt traps around. Most people would balk at being $20k in debt on a credit card, yet those same people think financing a new $20k car is completely reasonable. In fact, they think, everyone does it, so it's not "real" debt like credit card debt.

I made the mistake of purchasing a brand-new Honda S2000 when I got out of college. It was fun, but boy, I ended up wishing that I had just bought a used Civic instead.

- Warren
 
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Sell the car, buy something to get around. Then you will be living fine. Save up and pay cash. Once you save up 20k, you will think twice about throwing it down for a new car.
 
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I agree, get rid of the car, buy an 02 honda civic LX. They are actually quite nice and can last 150k miles. I also agree your heating is super high. I have a 900 sq ft 1bed apt and my heating+elec is $70/m total and I keep my tv/laptop on a lot and heat at 70F.
 
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ShawnD said:
1160 * 26 / 12 = $2513/month, with 401k, health, and dental already paid for

2513 starting

-433 rent
-135 student loan
-125 heating
-65 cable/internet
-55 electricity
-125 car insurance
-30 water
-50 phone
-420 for car payments
-250 student loans (two separate student loans?)

=820 left over for food, gasoline, clothes, etc.

That's actually very good, assuming you work ~40 hours per week. What is your job and how long have you been in that field?

Your mistake was buying a new car. Everyone on this forum has probably made that same mistake, including myself, but we learn from it. The up front cost is easily 5-10x as much as a good used car, and to add insult to injury, the insurance is several times as expensive because a dealership won't finance the car unless you have comprehensive insurance. Minimum insurance for my car is 150/month now that the car is paid for; it was 350/month for comprehensive in that 6 month period where I owed money on the car.
Buy only used cars in the future.



That leaves $820 minus what ever I have to pay off on my credit card.

Usually need to fill up 1.5 tanks of gas per week so that is 6 tanks x 13 gallons x $3.05=$240 per month on gasoline.

Also this is assuming I don't have any medical expenses, need to pay a doctor's co-pay, buy new glasses, or contacts, etc. and it also assumes I have no other car expenses like changing the oil, tune up, or break down.


That leaves around $500 a month for food. If I spent all that on food that would be about $15 per day/$5 per meal. That assumes I spend $0 on entertainment every month also.




Heating bill high? Yeah I know it is because here we have the worst run public utility company here known as PGW that is over $1 billion in the red. They charge ridiculous prices for gas in order to make up for their losses and for the fact that they lost a lot of money when they weren't allowed to shut off peoples' heating during the winter who didn't pay the bills because of safety concerns. LOL I do have roomates, the heating bill is actually $375! Last winter we got socked with a heating bill that was $465.
 
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gravenewworld said:
Heating bill high? Yeah I know it is because here we have the worst run public utility company here known as PGW that is over $1 billion in the red. They charge ridiculous prices for gas in order to make up for their losses and for the fact that they lost a lot of money when they weren't allowed to shut off peoples' heating during the winter who didn't pay the bills because of safety concerns. LOL I do have roomates, the heating bill is actually $375! Last winter we got socked with a heating bill that was $465.
Buy portable electric heaters.
 
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Evo said:
Buy portable electric heaters.

How does that help? Portable and furnaces both use electricity or gas, in the end it all comes from the utility company.
 
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gravenewworld said:
LOL I do have roomates, the heating bill is actually $375! Last winter we got socked with a heating bill that was $465.
You can still opt in a year-round average payment plan if such is being offered.
 
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So basically, the car is eating up an entire third of your take-home pay. Why do you need to use $240 of gas a month? That ends up being something like 1,700 miles per month! Why do you need to drive so many miles? Are there any small changes you can make to rely on some other cheaper transporation?

- Warren
 
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chroot said:
I have to agree with ShawnD: cars are one of the worst debt traps around. Most people would balk at being $20k in debt on a credit card, yet those same people think financing a new $20k car is completely reasonable. In fact, they think, everyone does it, so it's not "real" debt like credit card debt.

I made the mistake of purchasing a brand-new Honda S2000 when I got out of college. It was fun, but boy, I ended up wishing that I had just bought a used Civic instead.

- Warren

I also agree.

Good thing I convinced a recent graduate to buy a used car over a new car. She's saving atleast $10000. She thinks it was the best thing to do too.

Also, sometimes trying to live without a car for only 6 months saves you lots of money and puts you ahead.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
How does that help? Portable and furnaces both use electricity or gas, in the end it all comes from the utility company.
If the cost for electricty is less than for gas or oil (it is much cheaper where I live), he could save a lot by going electric. Also, it would allow heating each room depending on it's use, which could also help cut down.
 
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I have not lived paycheck to paycheck since I started living on my own. Instead, I lived within my means and set aside at least a little of every paycheck. When I met my wife, I had a used 350cc Yamaha, and when that crapped out, I bought a Honda 450 CL. I rode in the snow, rain, etc, and held full-time jobs in construction until I got the chance to go back to school for another semester to pick up some relevant job skills and bought a really beat-up car. My wife and I bought used vehicles, lived in clean but dumpy-looking and poorly-heated apartment buildings and worked our tails off until we could afford to buy a little piece of land and put a house trailer on it, and then we settled in and continued to save and save. If you spend less money than you earn, you will be able to save, and eventually, you will be able to invest in real estate (at least a starter home) in which you can establish and grow your equity. The interest on your primary residence is your best tax break if you are in the low-to-middle class. My wife and I leapfrogged through 4 more properties over the years, until now we have sold our most expensive property and have settled into a modest little 1-story log house and invested the excess.

Anybody with a regular income should establish a budget (NO credit cards) that allows them to live within their means. If this means driving a 4-5 year old car (or NO car if you have public transportation), doing without cable, cutting back on phone service, buck up and do it. Nobody is going to save money for you. Lots of people are willing to dump on the boomers, claiming that our SS burden will collapse the economy. That's a bunch of crap, and some incremental adjustments could easily make SS healthy, if our congressional representatives would grow a set. BTW, I have been paying into SS every year since I was 14 (maintaining a cemetery by myself at that age). I never spent those early paychecks, banking all of them so I might have a chance to go to college. When I got to college, I kept a little pool of cash around (several hundred dollars) and bought, repaired and re-sold guitars and amplifiers and worked weekends in my band playing frat parties and private parties. Every summer, I worked all the hours I could get at local wood-working mills to fatten up my savings. If I had gone to college on borrowed money, I would have been screwed for years. As it turned out, at the end of every year, after paying for tuition, books, rent, food, etc, I had more money than I'd had the previous year, and I still got to treat myself to the occasional pizzas and beers.
 
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chroot said:
Most people would balk at being $20k in debt on a credit card, yet those same people think financing a new $20k car is completely reasonable. In fact, they think, everyone does it, so it's not "real" debt like credit card debt.
Of course $20K of debt for a car is real debt. But it is not the same thing as credit card debt. The interest rate is much smaller and the car has at least some resale value.
 
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chroot said:
That ends up being something like 1,700 miles per month!

- Warren
Yup. I'm slated to put about 20-25K miles on my car a year. Work is about 70 miles each day round trip. There is no public transportation from where I live to where I work. This is also why I got a new car. I wanted something reliable for the long commute and something that I wouldn't have to worry about fixing constantly. I also wanted something with good resale value incase I decided to ditch a car all together if I decided to go to grad school. Stupid car does eat a lot of my paycheck, but it really wasn't that expensive, it is only a $18 K car brand new.Plus paying off a new car does give your credit history a good boost.Funny how everyone points out how the car is the bane of my finances, but not the student loans. In many cases a college education is the REAL rip-off. I should have went to my in-state public university for 1/4 of the cost and for the same exact education.
 
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Um... move closer.
 
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gravenewworld said:
I also wanted something with good resale value incase I decided to ditch a car all together if I decided to go to grad school.

I'll bring the bad news. The bad news is that NO car will have a good resale value with the mileage your putting on it.
 
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turbo-1 said:
Anybody with a regular income should establish a budget (NO credit cards) that allows them to live within their means. If this means driving a 4-5 year old car (or NO car if you have public transportation), doing without cable, cutting back on phone service, buck up and do it. Nobody is going to save money for you. Lots of people are willing to dump on the boomers, claiming that our SS burden will collapse the economy. That's a bunch of crap, and some incremental adjustments could easily make SS healthy, if our congressional representatives would grow a set. BTW, I have been paying into SS every year since I was 14 (maintaining a cemetery by myself at that age). I never spent those early paychecks, banking all of them so I might have a chance to go to college. When I got to college, I kept a little pool of cash around (several hundred dollars) and bought, repaired and re-sold guitars and amplifiers and worked weekends in my band playing frat parties and private parties. Every summer, I worked all the hours I could get at local wood-working mills to fatten up my savings. If I had gone to college on borrowed money, I would have been screwed for years. As it turned out, at the end of every year, after paying for tuition, books, rent, food, etc, I had more money than I'd had the previous year, and I still got to treat myself to the occasional pizzas and beers.



Yeah but kids in college CAN'T pay their tuitions anymore from "summer jobs". The cost of college tuition and textbooks has easily outpaced inflation by a ridiculous percentage every year. You have kids now borrowing 40,50,60, even 70 grand to attend college. The stories of people who were able to work their way through college to pay for all of their tuition and expenses 15-20 years ago no longer applies. I worked full time all summer long and you know how much I was able to make? Just enough to cover the cost of my textbooks every year for both semesters and my rent. Tuition? LOL no way in hell a college student like me was going to be able to come up with $20K per year from working full time in the summer and part time during the year to avoid taking out a loan. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE these days for a college student to be able to pay their entire tuition and expenses by themselves with summer and part time jobs without taking out some decent sized loans. The cost of education has skyrocketed over the past 20 years.
 
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gravenewworld said:
Yeah but kids in college CAN'T pay their tuitions anymore from "summer jobs". The cost of college tuition and textbooks has easily outpaced inflation by a ridiculous percentage every year. You have kids now borrowing 40,50,60, even 70 grand to attend college. The stories of people who were able to work their way through college to pay for all of their tuition and expenses 15-20 years ago no longer applies. I worked full time all summer long and you know how much I was able to make? Just enough to cover the cost of my textbooks every year for both semesters and my rent. Tuition? LOL no way in hell a college student like me was going to be able to come up with $20K per year from working full time in the summer and part time during the year to avoid taking out a loan. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE these days for a college student to be able to pay their entire tuition and expenses by themselves with summer and part time jobs without taking out some decent sized loans. The cost of education has skyrocketed over the past 20 years.

I agree 100%!
 
  • #37
Living from paycheck to paycheck isn't the end of the world as long as you have semi-liquid assets; in your case, the car.

My advice is to pay credit cards on time and not accumulate finance charges. As long as you can do this, credit cards can help you to make ends meet by smoothing out your spending (same as the year-round average payment plan for utilities). But if you want to save more, then you need to spend less.

Other solutions are to renegotiate for an increase, find a higher paying job, or a second job (e.g. tutoring -- if you have a car, you can use it a little more to make a little more money).
 
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JasonRox said:
I'll bring the bad news. The bad news is that NO car will have a good resale value with the mileage your putting on it.

This is where I have to disagree. Mazda 3 is well known for retaining its value. An '07 3 with 25 K miles still retains 75% of its value in good condition (which mine is in). Move closer? Possibly, but the housing prices are even higher if I move closer to where I work. Plus I get to live in the big city now while I am young instead of living out in the sterile boring burbs.
 
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gravenewworld said:
That leaves $820 minus what ever I have to pay off on my credit card.
This part of your budget is critical because the way interest is calculated on credit card debt should be illegal but somehow isn't. When you get financing on a car or a house, interest is usually compounded on a monthly or biweekly basis. Credit cards are compounded daily. When you pay more than the minimum on a mortgage or car payment, the extra you throw in goes towards paying the principle amount of the loan, which lowers the amount of interest charged in the next compounding period. Credit cards are the opposite, that extra money goes towards paying the interest, and the principle is not paid at all until the entire amount of interest is paid first. Car and house loans have (somewhat) fixed interest rates, so the agreed amount of 5% on a car loan is what the interest is for the entire duration of the loan, or having something like 10 year fixed on a mortgage means the interest is fixed at that rate for 10 years. Credit cards have no locked in rates and can be arbitrarily raised at any given time. You can sign up for a card at 20% interest and they're allowed to jack it up to 30% with no warning or reason.

Find a way to refinance. Talk to a debt consolidation company, try to get a bank loan, try to borrow money from your parents if you need to. Get out of credit card as soon as possible, even if that means you eat nothing but rice for the next couple of months.

Usually need to fill up 1.5 tanks of gas per week so that is 6 tanks x 13 gallons x $3.05=$240 per month on gasoline.
Would it be possible to move closer to work without spending significantly more on rent?
That leaves around $500 a month for food. If I spent all that on food that would be about $15 per day/$5 per meal. That assumes I spend $0 on entertainment every month also.
That's an incredible amount of money to be spending on food. I'm not sure what the difference in PPP is between our two cities, but where I live that would be enough to eat t-bone steak for every meal. My own food expenses are around $100 per month and I think I eat fairly well. I eat toast with peanut butter or jam in the morning, I usually don't eat lunch but sometimes I bring leftovers from the previous night, and my supper is something simple like poached eggs on toast, macaroni and cheese, or chili. Milk is my biggest food expense.
Evo said:
If the cost for electricty is less than for gas or oil (it is much cheaper where I live), he could save a lot by going electric. Also, it would allow heating each room depending on it's use, which could also help cut down.
Localizing the heat really helps. My bedroom has about 500W worth of stuff running, and it keeps this room at least 10C warmer than my kitchen which has nothing running. There's no sense in heating the entire apartment when you're the only person there. Keep an electric heater in the room where you spend the most time, and just heat that one room, and only when you're there. You can get a 1500W heater from Home Depot for $20.Get a second job too. I work at McDonalds on weekends; it's projected to bring in an extra $9,000 per year :wink:edit:
turbo-1 said:
Anybody with a regular income should establish a budget (NO credit cards)
I would disagree with this part because using the card builds your credit rating. It's free to use as long as you pay the entire thing on time. It should be used under the assumption that you currently have enough money in your bank account at that time to pay the entire balance on the card. Most people don't think of it like that, but they probably should.

There was one month when the payment dates were screwy and somehow I ended up underpaying the balance by about $50 for a period of three days. The bill was something like 500, I paid 450, then a few days later I paid the remainder. Over the course of 3 days, at 20% annual interest, compounded daily, Visa found a way to charge $12 in interest. If you scale that rate over the course of a year, it's pretty close to 3000% interest.
$12 interest / $50 principle / 3 days * 365 days per year = 29.2, or 2920% yearly interest. Pay that sucker off!
 
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ShawnD said:
Get a second job too. I work at McDonalds on weekends; it's projected to bring in an extra $9,000 per year :wink:

Smart! I was thinking of doing the same thing for like 6 months after graduating. I don't think I'd want to do it for longer than that. I also plan on doing tutoring services at nearby colleges and stuff.

The extra money can help pay off debts quick.

Note: I'd rather work at a grocery store though. :smile:
 
  • #41
I sell drugs. I don't recommend it.
 
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ShawnD said:
That's an incredible amount of money to be spending on food. I'm not sure what the difference in PPP is between our two cities, but where I live that would be enough to eat t-bone steak for every meal. My own food expenses are around $100 per month and I think I eat fairly well. I eat toast with peanut butter or jam in the morning, I usually don't eat lunch but sometimes I bring leftovers from the previous night, and my supper is something simple like poached eggs on toast, macaroni and cheese, or chili. Milk is my biggest food expense.

dude not that 500$ a month isn't a huge amount for food but you must be malnourished to be living off 100$.
 
  • #43
If you didn't have car payments and what you pay in gas right now, you could rent a decent ($950/mo) apartment close to work and get ahead. But that's just logic talking.
 
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Cyrus said:
I sell drugs. I don't recommend it.

I hear the dental plan sucks.
 
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drankin said:
If you didn't have car payments and what you pay in gas right now, you could rent a decent ($950/mo) apartment close to work and get ahead. But that's just logic talking.

No that would just be simply shifting one expense in the form of car payments and transferring it into another form of expenses--higher rent. But that is just logic talking.


That's an incredible amount of money to be spending on food. I'm not sure what the difference in PPP is between our two cities, but where I live that would be enough to eat t-bone steak for every meal. My own food expenses are around $100 per month and I think I eat fairly well. I eat toast with peanut butter or jam in the morning, I usually don't eat lunch but sometimes I bring leftovers from the previous night, and my supper is something simple like poached eggs on toast, macaroni and cheese, or chili. Milk is my biggest food expense.

$500 a month is not that much money at all to be spending on food. It breaks down to only about $5 per meal. Also, the $500 figure also assumes I spend $0 on entertainment or medical costs. You must look like a refugee if you can live off of $100 a month for food. That means you are only spending $1.10 per meal-- IMPOSSIBLE to live off of.



Also what is the point of using a space heater if your roommates are just going to blast the heat anyway?


I'll just end up moving back to my parents' house and live there rent and utility free and get all my stupid student loans paid off.
 
  • #46
Man, $42k in loans is a freaking LOT Of money to owe, and its just for a piece of paper. You can't resell it like a house or car. I am lucky my parents paid for my school, I always bought my own books, which was nearly $1k per semester! I worked at an internship during all 4 years and saved my money (which I spent on flying lessons, but worth every penny. Education is priceless). Now that I am going to be in grad school, I could actually finish debt free and with money in the positive from the money they pay grad students. (But keep in mind, I lived at home during college because I saw no reason to give 10k a year when I live a 30 min drive away. It has its +'s and -'s.) I also transferred from a CC my first two years, which was even cheaper. So I only really paid for 3 years of University tuition (due to taking winter and summer classes, which are MAD expensive). And to be honest, I am glad I did NOT take my first two years at University becuase the classes are huge and the teachers don't care squat. They just weed people out.

Life is about chioces. I have a 10 year old honda accord going on 140k miles. Runs fine. Need to change the front spring though, its starting to squeek. I have no plans on buying a new fancy car when I start working. They just depreciate. My only real goal is to get a bangin appartment in downtown DC when I start working (if possible). That would be MUCH more fun than a dorm, IMO, and money better spent for a life experience.

Thats exactly why I only went to grad school if they would pay me. I am done giving money to school.
 
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Cyrus said:
Man, $42k in loans is a freaking LOT Of money to owe, and its just for a piece of paper. You can't resell it like a house or car. I am lucky my parents paid for my school, I always bought my own books, which was nearly $1k per semester! I worked at an internship during all 4 years and saved my money (which I spent on flying lessons, but worth every penny. Education is priceless). Now that I am going to be in grad school, I could actually finish debt free and with money in the positive from the money they pay grad students. (But keep in mind, I lived at home during college because I saw no reason to give 10k a year when I live a 30 min drive away. It has its +'s and -'s.) I also transferred from a CC my first two years, which was even cheaper. So I only really paid for 3 years of University tuition (due to taking winter and summer classes, which are MAD expensive). And to be honest, I am glad I did NOT take my first two years at University becuase the classes are huge and the teachers don't care squat. They just weed people out.

Life is about chioces. I have a 10 year old honda accord going on 140k miles. Runs fine. Need to change the front spring though, its starting to squeek. I have no plans on buying a new fancy car when I start working. They just depreciate.



Education may be priceless, but that doesn't give the universities the right to rip off their students. My kid is absolutely going to an instate public college. Private universities are NOT worth it.
 
  • #48
Yep, I agree. Unless its (1) Harvard, (2) Princeton, or (3) MIT, (4) Stanford, (5) yale, its not worth it IMO. Besides, you can always go there for grad school. But for certain majors, having that name like Harvard Business, means a LOT in the business world and opens doors for you.
 
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gravenewworld said:
Education may be priceless, but that doesn't give the universities the right to rip off their students. My kid is absolutely going to an instate public college. Private universities are NOT worth it.

The only big difference between good public schools and good private schools are connections and company recruiting. I know a kid who went to Boston University and went one to be very successful. Another of my friends went to Harvard and was equally smart. Both ended up at great companies and successful, but one just paid ALOT more so she had better connections when she graduated and the opportunity to be heavily recruited and woo'ed. But again in the end both successful.
 
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gravenewworld said:
$500 a month is not that much money at all to be spending on food. It breaks down to only about $5 per meal. Also, the $500 figure also assumes I spend $0 on entertainment or medical costs. You must look like a refugee if you can live off of $100 a month for food. That means you are only spending $1.10 per meal-- IMPOSSIBLE to live off of.
With $5, you can buy one of the following:
-3lbs of ground beef, the regular fatty kind
-5L (~quarts) of milk (milk is very expensive where I live)
-1.5lbs of butter
-10kg of rice
-8 boxes of kraft dinner (5 if you get brand name Kraft Dinner)
-5 Junior Cheeseburger Deluxe from Wendys
-2kg of Doritos

3lbs of hamburger, at 75 calories per ounce (give or take), is 3600 calories.
5L of 2% milk, at 130 calories per 250mL, is 2600 calories
1.5lbs (~675g) of butter, at 740 calories per 100g, is 4995 calories
10kg of white rice, at 170 calories per cup (let's just assume it has a bulk density of 1), is 6800 calories.
8 boxes of KD, at 720 calories per box (dry mix only, no milk/butter), is 5760 calories
5 cheeseburgers from wendys, at 300 calories each, is 1500 calories
2kg of Doritos, at 250 calories per 50g, is 10000 calories

So as you can see, $5 alone is more than enough to exceed the daily recommended caloric intake of ~2000 calories by up to 5x. The other lesson is that Doritos are a fantastic source of not-dying when you're strapped for cash. Keep that in mind, any college students who may be reading this :wink:


I'll just end up moving back to my parents' house and live there rent and utility free and get all my stupid student loans paid off.
That's not a bad idea. People can call you fruity all they want, but you'll be that fruity guy who isn't up to his eyeballs in debt. I said earlier in this thread that it took me 6 months to pay for a brand new car, and that was only possible because I was living with my parents at that time. Debt goes away incredibly fast when 50-60% of your gross income is "disposable".
 
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