Application of Mechanical Similarity

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The discussion revolves around the application of mechanical similarity in solving problems related to the motion of particles with different masses but the same potential energy. Participants explore the relationships between time ratios and mass ratios in the context of mechanics, specifically referencing concepts from the book "Mechanics" by Landau and Lifgarbagez.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to solving a problem involving the ratios of times for particles with different masses, concluding with the formula t'/t = sqrt(m'/m) based on their understanding of oscillations.
  • Another participant provides a more formal derivation of the same result, emphasizing the relationship between kinetic and potential energy factors and confirming the formula t'/t = sqrt(m'/m) through their reasoning.
  • A third participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received, indicating that the explanation was helpful.
  • A subsequent post presents a solution to a second problem, paralleling the first, and derives the relationship between time ratios and potential energy ratios, concluding with the formula β = sqrt(U/U').

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the derived formulas for the time ratios in relation to mass and potential energy, but there is no explicit consensus on the preferred method of solving the problems as the initial participant seeks clarification on the intended approach from the authors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on assumptions about the definitions of kinetic and potential energy and their relationships, which may not be universally applicable without further context from the book. The derivations presented depend on specific interpretations of mechanical similarity.

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Hi,

I am working on Mechanics by Landau and Lifgarbagez, and I have almost completed section 10 on mechanical similarity (in Volume 1, 3rd edition). However, I'm having some difficulty solving the problems at the end of the section. I have tried both of them, and I even found the correct answer to the first problem, but I feel like I didn't solve it the right way, or that there must be a more general way to solve it. So here's the problem.

Find the ratios of times in the same path for particles having different masses, but the same potential energy.

The answer is t'/t = sqrt(m'/m)

Here's how I solved it. First, by reading the question I thought hmmmmm...this sounds like 2 different masses on springs (the springs are the same) oscillating with the same amplitude. So then I approached the solution with this picture in mind.

For a mass on a spring, I know the period is given by T=2pi/w where w = sqrt(k/m)

so t'/t = T'/T = (2pi/sqrt(k/m'))/(2pi/sqrt(k/m)) = sqrt(m'/k)/sqrt(m/k) = sqrt(m'/m)

Ok, so I found the answer that I was supposed to find, but this surely wasn't the approach that I was supposed to take. The authors have not even covered oscillations yet in this book. Can someone please help me solve this problem the way the authors intended it to be solved? Thanks!
 
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"The same path for the particle" means that [tex]\alpha \equiv 1[/tex] for coordinates:
[tex]\frac{l'}{l}=\alpha \equiv 1[/tex]
Having different masses, the kinetic energy is multiplied not by [tex]\alpha^2/\beta^2}[/tex] (see your book) but [tex]\gamma \alpha^2 / \beta^2[/tex], where [tex]\gamma=m'/m[/tex] and [tex]\beta=t'/t[/tex].
To leave equations of motion unaltered, we must have
[tex]\gamma \frac{\alpha^2}{\beta^2} = \alpha^k[/tex]
where the left side represents the kinetic energy factor and the right side represents the potential energy factor.
Substituting into this equation [tex]\alpha=1[/tex] one can have:
[tex]\gamma=\beta^2[/tex] or [tex]\beta = \sqrt{\gamma}[/tex]
or, finally:
[tex]t'/t = \sqrt{m'/m}[/tex]

I hope this will help you to solve the second problem in the paragraph also :)

Good luck!
 
Thank you very much--that helped a lot!
 
And now I will display my solution to the second question (actually it's very similar to the first one--thanks again, by the way).

[tex]\frac{l'}{l} = \alpha = 1[/tex](same path again)

This time the kinetic energy is just changed by [tex]\frac{\alpha^{2}}{\beta^{2}}[/tex] where [tex]\beta = \frac{t'}{t}[/tex]

Since potential energies differ by a constant factor, we can write [tex]\frac{U'}{U} = \gamma[/tex]

Finally, we have [tex]\frac{\alpha^{2}}{\beta^{2}} = \gamma\alpha^{k}[/tex]

Since [tex]\alpha = 1[/tex], we are left with

[tex]\frac{1}{\beta^{2}} = \gamma[/tex]

[tex]\beta = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\gamma}}[/tex]

[tex]\beta = \frac{1}{\sqrt{U'/U}}[/tex]

[tex]\beta = \sqrt{\frac{U}{U'}}[/tex]
 
msbell1, sounds good! keep working on Landau & Lifgarbagez. :cool:
 

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