Application of Vectors: Work (calc 3)

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The discussion centers on calculating the work done on a box pushed up a ramp using the formula W=F·D·cos(α), where F is the force, D is the distance, and α is the angle of the ramp. The participants, including Daniel, initially calculated the work as W=(22 lbs.)(6 ft.)(cos 17°) resulting in approximately 126 lbs·ft, but questioned its correctness. The conversation reveals confusion over vector components and the neglect of gravity in the problem, with suggestions to ensure the calculator is set to the correct mode and to reconsider the use of cosine in the calculations.

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Hey all,

I'm a bit stuck on a problem on my online homework for my calc 3 class, hopefully someone can help me out.

Suppose that you push with a horizontal force on a box, to push it up a horizontal ramp, as shown in https://instruct2.math.lsa.umich.edu/webwork2_course_files/ma215u05/tmp/gif/2-prob3-pimages/sfig13-3-3.gif

If your force is F=22 lbs., the ramp angle a(alpha)=17 degrees above the horizontal and you push the object a distance L=6 feet how much work is done on the box?

Thanks
 
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What ideas do you have...? I bet the problem is not that difficult.

Daniel.
 
Well I've tried the plug n' chug method with the numbers give:

W=F(dot)D=|F||D|cos a
W=(22 lbs.)(6 ft.)(cos 17)
W=126.232 ~ 126

But this answer is incorrect, unless the answer registered in the system is incorrect.
 
I don't know about your weird American system of units, but the formula is the right one.

Daniel.
 
I got the same answer. It looks fine to me. Did you put in the correct units?
 
You forgot about Vectors.

Force is a vector.

It has X and Y components.

Also remember about Mass x Gravity.
 
Yes but the formula W=|F||D|cos a can be used instead of W=F(dot)D in order to avoid vectors and instead use magnitudes only.

Also gravity is neglected in this particular problem and units are not required.
 
ek530n said:
Yes but the formula W=|F||D|cos a can be used instead of W=F(dot)D in order to avoid vectors and instead use magnitudes only.

Also gravity is neglected in this particular problem and units are not required.


Eh? That`s odd. I`ve never heard of a problem neglecting gravity before.

also isn`t (dot) multiplication.

NOTE: to a helper who is reading this: I really need help with my topci before 2 hours, please! :confused:
 
Scirel said:
Eh? That`s odd. I`ve never heard of a problem neglecting gravity before.

Is that an attempt to mock me for my choice of words? If you don't have anything relevant to say don't post under this thread.
 
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Wow! Take it easy! I wasn`t trying to make fun of you. Geez..

I literally have never seen a problem like that before. How can that be taken as an insult?

anyway, there is one more thing to try.

Are you sure your calculator is in degrees/radians mode? (for whatever the problem calls for)
 
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ek530n said:
Well I've tried the plug n' chug method with the numbers give:

W=F(dot)D=|F||D|cos a
W=(22 lbs.)(6 ft.)(cos 17)
W=126.232 ~ 126

But this answer is incorrect, unless the answer registered in the system is incorrect.
You are given the x-component of the force
namely
22 lbs.=(Force)(cos(17 degrees))
You want work
work=force*distance
In other words your cos(17 degrees) should have be sec(17 degrees) or 1/cos(17 degrees).
 

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