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The problem involves optimizing the cutting of a 20 cm wire into two pieces, one shaped as an equilateral triangle and the other as a circle, with the goal of maximizing and minimizing the total area enclosed by these shapes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the lengths of the wire for the circle and triangle, and formulates the areas in terms of these lengths. They question the complexity of differentiating the total area function and seek alternative methods.
  • One participant suggests using a different approach to calculate the height of the triangle, proposing a formula that may simplify differentiation.
  • Another participant encourages graphing the function to verify results, indicating a practical approach to check the findings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different methods and suggestions for approaching the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but various strategies are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexity of the equations involved and are considering the implications of their calculations on maximizing and minimizing the area. The original poster expresses concern about the difficulty of the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement


could someone please help me to answer the following problem:

Suppose a wire 20 cm long is to be cut into two pieces. One piece is to be bent in the shape of an equatorial triangle and the other in the shape of a circle. How should the wire be cut so as to:
a) maximize the total area enclosed by the shapes ?

b)minimize the total area enclosed by the shapes ?

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The Attempt at a Solution


i applied x as the circle length and (20-x) as the triangle length ,,
we know that x=(2pi)r > r=x/2pi ,, A(c)=pi*(x/2pi)^2 ,,
A(t)=.5*(20-x)/3*sqrt(((20-x)/3)^2-((20-x)/6)^2)
A(c+t)= A(c) + A(t) ... then differentiate ,, solve for A`(c+t)=0 and i'll get what ?? maximize or minimize and how to get the other one ?? ,, and is there another way ?? (easier one) because it's hard to solve for A`(c+t) the equation is too long ...
 
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For the area of the triangle calculate the height by using the following:

h=\frac{1}{2}base*\cos(60)

rather than using the Pythagorean Theorem. It will lead to a cleaner expression that will be much easier to differentiate. Take the second derivative of your expression to determine if it's a maximum or minimum.
 
lol ,, thanks :)
 
ok ,, i got A(c+t)= x^2/4pi + (sqrt(3)/36) * (20-x)^2
i differentiate and solved for 0 i got x = 7.53583283 and got:
the maximum A(20) and minimum A(x) ,, is it right ??
 
If you have a graphing calculator, graph it and find the minimum. Otherwise, graph it on paper to see if your value is correct. Should be an easy check.
 

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