Approximate evaluation of this series (exponential sum)

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the series \(\sum_{p

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  • One participant suggests that approximate methods, such as partial or Abel summation, could be used to evaluate the series, proposing a formulation involving the Riemann-Stieltjes Integral.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of the function \(f(x)\), suggesting it may be constant but dependent on \(N\), while also questioning the interpretation of the exponential term.
  • Some participants clarify that \(x\) does not need to be an integer, and there is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the exponential term, with suggestions that it might involve \(e^{2\pi i/p}\) instead.
  • One participant introduces the idea of considering the terms as points on the unit circle, suggesting that the coprimality of primes might simplify the evaluation.
  • Another participant acknowledges a realization about the exponential term, indicating that previous statements may not apply under the correct interpretation.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the function \(f(x)\) and the correct interpretation of the exponential term. There is no consensus on a single method for evaluating the series, and multiple competing ideas are presented.

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Some participants note the oscillatory behavior of the exponential sum for large primes and the potential complexity introduced by the interpretation of the exponential term, which remains unresolved.

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Let be the series

\sum_{p<N}e^{2\pi p ix}=f(x) where the sum is intended to be

over all primes less or equal than a given N.

My question is if there are approximate methods to evaluate this series for N big , since for a big prime the exponential sum is very oscillating would it be an 'intelligent' form to evaluate it for big N?, of course we know the trivial bound f(x)<\pi(N) however i think this is rather useless.
 
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Maybe this is not in the ballpark of what you're looking for, but I believe you can approximate this using partial/Abel summation. We can approximate \pi(N)=\sum_{p<N} 1 and use this to approximate f(x):

In particular, f(x) can be written as the Riemann-Stieltjes Integral
f(x)=\int_{1}^{N} e^{2\pi i t x} d\pi(t)
which then can be evaluated using integration by parts to get
f(x)=\pi(t) e^{2\pi i t x} |^{N}_{1} -2\pi i x \int_{1}^{N} e^{2\pi i t x} \pi(t) dt
Now you can use some approximations of \pi(t) to approximate the integral, and maybe that would give a decent answer. I don't know, I haven't worked it out.
 
Since e^{2\pi \i} is equal to 1, and one 1 the power of anything is equal to one, function is the addition of 1 \pi(N) times. This basically means f(x) is a constant function, but dependent on N. Not sure about my answer though...
 
x doesn't have to be an integer.
 
Gib Z said:
Since e^{2\pi \i} is equal to 1, and one 1 the power of anything is equal to one, function is the addition of 1 \pi(N) times. This basically means f(x) is a constant function, but dependent on N. Not sure about my answer though...

haha, I should have noticed that :redface:. Perhaps the original poster meant e^{2\pi i/p}, which would make the question slightly more interesting.

edit: or even better, what Hurkyl said.
 
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Gib Z said:
Since e^{2\pi \i} is equal to 1, and one 1 the power of anything is equal to one, function is the addition of 1 \pi(N) times. This basically means f(x) is a constant function, but dependent on N. Not sure about my answer though...

Just so you're clear on what was meant above: exp{2pi i x} is 1 if and only if x is an integer. It should not be thought of as exp(2 pi i) to the power x. Raising things to powers creates issues anyway with branches.
 
Isn't each term looking for points mod p on the unit circle (you can think of a p lattice on the unit circle, and x maps to some point in the one of the the domains). You are in adding a bunch of number mod different primes in essence, which being all coprime might make it easier.

Anyway, it seemed like going down that path might produce something useful. You could even "unroll" the unit circle into a full axis and put a lattice there if it were easier (not sure it is).

Just some random ideas.
 
Just realized that it was 2 \pi i p and not {2 \pi i \over p}. Not sure anything I said still applies.
 

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