Approximation of Volume using Differential

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The discussion revolves around estimating the volume of a tin can using differentials, specifically for a can with a radius of 4 cm, height of 12 cm, and thickness of 0.04 cm. Participants are exploring the application of the differential formula in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for the volume of a cylinder and how to apply differentials to estimate changes in volume. There are attempts to clarify the roles of the variables involved, particularly the thickness and its impact on height.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the differential equation, while others have raised questions about the assumptions regarding the height change. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the variables involved, particularly concerning the thickness of the can and its effect on the volume calculation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy in how participants interpret the change in height (dh) and its relevance to the thickness of the can. The discussion includes varying opinions on whether dh should be considered zero or equal to the thickness.

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Homework Statement



Use the differential to estimate the volume of tin a can of radius 4 cm., height 12 cm.
and thickness 0.04 cm is made of.

Homework Equations



(differential)

df = f'(x,y)dx + f'(x,y)dy

The approximated volume should be 14cm^3. However, I need the procedure to get to the result (since it was given).

The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to compute the differential. In order to do so I need the two derivatives in x and y. then the formula is straight forward: df = f'(x,y)dx + f'(x,y)dy
Unfortunately I have no clue how to apply this concept to solve the problem.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
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For a cylinder the volume is V=πr2h.

So in your formula it would be

dV= (∂V/∂r)dr + (∂V/∂h)dh

So when you put in ∂V/∂r and ∂V/∂h into the formula, 'dr' is the change in radius (your thickness) and 'dh' is your change in height (which is zero).
 
Frank69 said:

Homework Statement



Use the differential to estimate the volume of tin a can of radius 4 cm., height 12 cm.
and thickness 0.04 cm is made of.


Homework Equations



(differential)

df = f'(x,y)dx + f'(x,y)dy

The approximated volume should be 14cm^3. However, I need the procedure to get to the result (since it was given).

The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to compute the differential. In order to do so I need the two derivatives in x and y. then the formula is straight forward: df = f'(x,y)dx + f'(x,y)dy
Unfortunately I have no clue how to apply this concept to solve the problem.
Any help would be appreciated.

You're given height (h), radius (r), and thickness (dr). You have all the info you need. Make the necessary substitutions and you'll have it.

If you get stuck, post what you have and we can provide further hints (if we've determined you're actually putting some effort into understanding the solution).
 
Thanks to everyone. Geezer, you say that dh is zero. I instead set it to 0.04 (I considered also the bases).
And apparently I got the right result. My calculation was this:

V(r,h) = πr2h.

(∂V/∂r) = 2πrh

(∂V/∂h) = πr²

Then I plugged r = 4 and h = 12 in dV

dV = (∂V/∂r)(4,12)dr + (∂V/∂h)(4,12)dh

And I got: dV = 301.44*0.04 + 50.24 *0.04 = 12.0576 + 2.0096 = 14.0672

14 cm^3 was the result expected.

If instead I used dh = 0 as you suggest I would get:

dV = 301.44*0.04 + 50.24 *0 = 12.0576 + 0 = 12.0576

which is not the right answer.

Where's the catch?
 
Frank69 said:
Thanks to everyone. Geezer, you say that dh is zero. I instead set it to 0.04 (I considered also the bases).

I didn't say dh=0. In fact, I never commented on dh (dh=dr since the thickness of the can is uniform).
 
rock.freak667 said:
'dh' is your change in height (which is zero)

Sorry Gezeer, I meant what was written by rock.freak667 in the previous post.

Thanks to all of you anyway :)
 
I don't think your answer should be 14 cm3 since if you calculate

dV as dV = πh(r22-r12) where r2=4.04, r1= 4 and h =12, you would get around 12.1 or so.
 
Frank69 said:
Sorry Gezeer, I meant what was written by rock.freak667 in the previous post.

Thanks to all of you anyway :)

No biggie.
 

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