Archimedes' Buoyancy: Which Ball Will Experience a Greater Buoyant Force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a question regarding buoyancy, specifically which of two balls (A and B) of equal mass floating in a swimming pool experiences a greater buoyant force. Participants explore the implications of the question's wording, the relationship between buoyant force and submerged volume, and the assumptions necessary to answer the question accurately.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that since the balls have equal mass, they must also have equal weight, leading to the conclusion that the buoyant forces must be equal if both are floating.
  • Others suggest that the question is poorly written and that the volume submerged for each ball is crucial to determining the buoyant force, which is not explicitly stated in the question.
  • One participant points out that the buoyant force is equal to the weight of the fluid displaced, which is contingent on the submerged volume, not the total volume of the balls.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of the image accompanying the question, with some asserting it does not clarify whether the balls are floating or submerged.
  • Some participants express confusion over the answer key's assertion that ball A would experience a greater buoyant force, arguing that it does not align with the information provided in the question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the question and the implications of the buoyancy principles involved. Some believe the buoyant forces are equal, while others argue that the question's assumptions lead to different conclusions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the question's clarity, particularly regarding the conditions under which the buoyant forces are being evaluated (floating vs. submerged). Additionally, the reliance on the image for context is questioned, as it does not provide clear information about the water level.

  • #31
Jmiz said:
Question: Balls A and B of equal mass are floating in a swimming pool, as shown below. Which will produce a greater buoyant force? (Image shows two circles with circle A larger than circle B)

A. Ball A
B. Ball B
C. The forces will be equal
D It is impossible to know without knowing the volume of each ball

I think this question is poorly written. Based on the givens, I deduced that volume A > volume B, and thus density A has to be less than density of B in order for the two balls to have equal mass. So, the volume submerged in order for A to float has to be less than the volume submerged for B to float. Thus, it doesn't necessarily have to be ball A that will produce a greater buoyant force. Thoughts? Thanks.

The buoyant force on the balls will be the same, as the balls have equal mass. Which means as long as they are floating, they'll displace the same volume of water. A will float higher in the water than B, but will displace water over a larger area of the surface. The buoyant force will only change if you use force to submerge the balls, in which case A, displacing more water, will require greater force to push down than B.
 
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  • #32
Back to the original question: not poorly worded, IMHO, but...
..it would seem simply a case of the answer key being incorrect: A instead of C for "the floating situation".
[It happens, altho students claim it much more frequently :>]
 
  • #33
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi Jmiz:

Your analysis seems completely correct to me, up to

although you didn't say explicitly your choice of A, B, C, D.

I don't understand you comment:

Did you pick "A"? If so I am surprised. I think the greater the submerged volume then the greater the buoyant force.

ADDED
I goofed. The buoyant force = the gravity force. Therefore "C".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

Regards,
Buzz
I was just wondering, if ball A has the same mass as B, but A being larger than B, would A not cover more surface area than B, so there for would have more volume coming in contact with water, creating a greater force on A, If you have two balls, one having A larger surface area, if you try to push these two balls underneath the water,the bigger ball you get more resistance and it's harder to push under, The smaller ball B isn't as hard because it does not have the same surface area pushing back. A being larger has to be more buoyant. Explain to me why C is correct.
 
  • #34
Jim Kadel said:
Back to the original question: not poorly worded, IMHO, but...
..it would seem simply a case of the answer key being incorrect: A instead of C for "the floating situation".
Since the answer key, detailed solution, and diagram all seem to be consistent with the word "floating" changed to "submerged" in the problem statement, I suspect that was the error. That is further supported by a later version of the book showing just that correction.
 
  • #35
Ball A. Phrased wrong but imagine a flat plate. With larger surface area displaced when it's lying flat, it floats upwards. When tilted vertically it would sink.
 
  • #36
Aleena786 said:
Ball A. Phrased wrong but imagine a flat plate. With larger surface area displaced when it's lying flat, it floats upwards. When tilted vertically it would sink.
What determines the buoyant force is not surface area, but volume of fluid displaced.
 
  • #37
Aleena786 said:
Ball A. Phrased wrong but imagine a flat plate. With larger surface area displaced when it's lying flat, it floats upwards. When tilted vertically it would sink.
Disregarding surface tension effects, your flat plate will either float (if less dense than water) or sink (if more dense than water) regardless of orientation.
 
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  • #38
interested crl: I don't see dwg. details. But it gets more interesting if the bottom and sides of liquid container matches pretty well the contours of the object placed in it.
Then the liguid level rises surprising high fast, like a person's body in a bathtub, and theoretically a special body could then float on almost no 'weight' of water, and this makes a cute surprise joke for, say, a special solid wood cylinder in a special sized (nearly fitting) cup.
 

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