Architecture Student Seeks Advice on Wind-Catcher Design

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and functionality of a wind-catcher in an architectural project. Participants explore the air movement dynamics within the proposed structure, particularly focusing on differences between day and night conditions, and the potential roles of the structure as a solar chimney and wind-catcher.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a drawing of a wind-catcher design and seeks feedback on the correctness of the air movement depicted.
  • Another participant suggests that while the design appears qualitatively correct, determining the effectiveness of air currents would require complex calculations.
  • Some participants note that air movement is expected to decrease at night due to lower temperature gradients, although this may vary based on regional climate specifics.
  • There is a claim that the airflow may stop at night, leading to confusion about the direction of air movement.
  • A participant discusses the behavior of hot and cool air, indicating that hot air is lighter and rises, but another participant corrects this by stating that hot air is indeed lighter than cool air.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of the system due to evaporation cooling the air, which may impact the design's effectiveness.
  • One participant questions whether the highest point of the structure functions as a solar chimney during the day and as a wind-catcher at night, reflecting uncertainty about its dual functionality.
  • A later reply argues that air will continue to rise inside the structure at night due to vaporization and humidity effects, although the rate of movement may decrease.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the air movement dynamics, particularly regarding the effects of temperature and humidity on airflow at different times of day. There is no consensus on the exact functioning of the structure as both a solar chimney and wind-catcher.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific calculations to determine air current strength and the dependence on regional climate factors that may affect airflow behavior.

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hi
am an architecture student , i used some techniques in my project which it will work same as the wind-catcher , but am not sure how it will work , so can anyone tell me if the air movement is correct in my drawing or its wrong ?
and is there any difference in the air movement between day and night in such case ?

this is the drawing , somehow like a mountain or a tent ( section cutting the building in 2 parts ) :
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz30/Shoayb/day.jpg

i hope its clear
 
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Looks good. To find out exactly how effective it is (how strong the air current is) would be a fairly difficult calculation, but qualitatively it is correct. During night you would (generally) expect the air current to decrease, as the temperature gradient is lower (but that depends on some details of the region, climate, etc).
 
Your colors are reversed. The night difference is the airflow stops.
 
zhermes said:
Looks good. To find out exactly how effective it is (how strong the air current is) would be a fairly difficult calculation, but qualitatively it is correct. During night you would (generally) expect the air current to decrease, as the temperature gradient is lower (but that depends on some details of the region, climate, etc).
russ_watters said:
Your colors are reversed. The night difference is the airflow stops.
thanks you for your help :)
i didnt get it , i think you mean the direction maybe wrong not the colors

what i know that the cool air is lighter than the hot air that's why the air is becoming hotter when it goes up until it get outside the building , and then the hot air from outside will be cooled when it reach the water because of the evaporation , and the cycle will go on

but am not sure if the highest part will work as solar chimney or as wind-catcher , i mean is the hot air leaving from the highest point or entering from it ? because someone told me that it will work as solar chimney in the day and as wind-catcher in the night , and i don't know if this right or not

btw the proposal site is in turkey , where is the temperature is about 30 C in summer , and the highest point in the building is about 40 meters

again , thank you very much for your help
 
Sorry, my comments were completely separate from each other and should have been bulleted.
shoayb said:
thanks you for your help :)
i didnt get it , i think you mean the direction maybe wrong not the colors

what i know that the cool air is lighter than the hot air that's why the air is becoming hotter when it goes up until it get outside the building...
No, hot air is lighter than cool air and air cools as it rises. That's how thunderstorms form.
...and then the hot air from outside will be cooled when it reach the water because of the evaporation...
Yes, evaporation of water will cool the air, but all that does is kill the efficiency of your system.

Here's an article on the concept: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/08/my-favorite-renewable-energy-concept-the-solar-updraft-tower/

Note: the article mentions a company said to be commercializing the idea. While I'm pretty sure the company is a scam, so I'm not going to link their website here, the concept is theoretically sound.
 
shoayb said:
hi
am an architecture student , i used some techniques in my project which it will work same as the wind-catcher , but am not sure how it will work , so can anyone tell me if the air movement is correct in my drawing or its wrong ?
and is there any difference in the air movement between day and night in such case ?

this is the drawing , somehow like a mountain or a tent ( section cutting the building in 2 parts ) :
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz30/Shoayb/day.jpg

i hope its clear

I see no reason why the air should all of a sudden sink once it escapes from the structure. It is far more likely to continue to rise and form some of those cumulus clouds that you show. Air will continue to rise inside the structure during the night hours due to vaporization and the fact that humid air is less dense than dry air. The rate of movement should decrease compared to the daylight convection. Other than that, there is little that can be said without much more information.
 

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