Arctan Derivatives Problem: How to Differentiate with Respect to Arctan x?

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The discussion centers around differentiating a function involving arctan, specifically the expression \(\frac{arctan(\sqrt{1+x^{2}}-1)}{x}\), with respect to arctan(x). Participants are exploring the application of differentiation techniques, including the chain rule and quotient rule, in this context.

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  • Participants suggest using a substitution where \(u = arctan(x)\) to facilitate differentiation. There are discussions about applying the quotient rule and chain rule to the given function. Some participants express confusion about the steps involved and seek clarification on the differentiation process.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the differentiation problem. Some participants have provided partial expressions for the derivative, while others are questioning the clarity of the explanations given. No consensus has been reached, and the discussion remains open for further input and clarification.

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Find the derivatives of the following arctan {[(1+x^2)^1/2 ] - 1} / x with respect to arctan x.may i know how to do this??
how to start and the steps??
 
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Let your independent variable be given as u=arctan(x) that is,
x(u)=tan(u)

You have been given the function of x,
F(x)=\frac{arctan(\sqrt{1+x^{2}}-1)}{x}
Let h(u)=F(x(u))[/tex]<br /> You are asked to find \frac{dh}{du}<br /> <br /> <br /> Note that it is easy to give your final answer in terms of &quot;x&quot; rather than &quot;u&quot;, since we have \frac{dx}{du}=\frac{1}{\cos^{2}u}=1+\tan^{2}u=1+x^{2}
 
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You have \frac{arctan(u)}{x}. Since that is a quotient of two functions use the "quotient" rule:
\frac{d\left(\frac{f(u)}{x}}= \frac{\frac{df}{du}\frac{du}{dx}x- f(u)}{x}
where u= \sqrt{1+x^2}-1 and f(u)= arctan u.
The \frac{df}{du}\frac{du}{dx} in that is the &quot;chain&quot; rule.
 
sotty,for threat 2 i don't really understand.can u plsexplain more clearly??
 
HallsofIvy's "u" is not the same as my "u".
He is presenting a technique to evaluate the term \frac{dF}{dx} in my terms.

We have: \frac{d}{dx}(\sqrt{1+x^{2}}-1)=\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+x^{2}}}
Thus, we get:
\frac{dF}{dx}=\frac{\sqrt{1+x^{2}}}{1+(\sqrt{1+x^{2}}-1)^{2}}-\frac{F(x)}{x}
Multiply this with 1+x^{2} to get \frac{dh}{du}
 
can u pls show me the whole steps ??thanx
 
Darn, I made a mistake!
the correct expression for the derivative with respect to u=arctan(x), should be:
\frac{dh}{du}=\frac{\sqrt{1+x^{2}}}{1+(\sqrt{1+x^{2}}-1)^{2}}-F(x)\frac{1+x^{2}}{x}
 
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teng125 said:
can u pls show me the whole steps ??thanx
Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to provide you a step by step solution. However, we may help you.
Just tell us where in the post that you don't really understand and we may clarify it for you.
 
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It might be helpful to remember the following rule:

Suppose you are to differentiate a function F(x) with respect to a (invertible) function f(x).
Then we have, in general:
\frac{dF}{df}=\frac{\frac{dF}{dx}}{\frac{df}{dx}}
 

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