Comparing summations with integrals

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The discussion centers around comparing summations with integrals, specifically focusing on the inequality involving the summation of arctangent functions and its relationship to integrals. The participants are exploring the implications of this inequality and its mathematical properties.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the summation of arctan(n) and its integral representation. Some suggest using Riemann sums and bounds to analyze the inequality. Others are questioning how to derive one integral expression from another and the implications of different approaches to the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered insights into using Riemann sums and bounds, while others are questioning the validity of certain expressions and their equivalences. There is a lack of consensus on the best path forward, but productive questions are being raised.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of their findings and the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the limits of convergence and the behavior of the summation as N approaches infinity. There are also discussions about the assumptions underlying the expressions being analyzed.

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Homework Statement
1. Show that ##\sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)}##
2. Determine numbers ##\alpha##, ##\beta## such that ##\lim\limits_{N\to\infty} N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} =\beta## with ##\beta \neq 0##
Relevant Equations
##\int_a^b f(x) dx= F(b)-F(a)##
1. ##\sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)} \iff \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx##

Where do I go from here? I've tried understanding this graphically, but to no avail.

2. Maybe this follows from finding an upper and lower bound for ##N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)}##, and then somehow applying the squeeze theorem?
 
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You should write the right hand side as an integral of ## \operatorname{arctan}## and the left as an upper Riemann sum for this integral.
 
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schniefen said:
Problem Statement: 1. Show that ##\sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)}##
2. Determine numbers ##\alpha##, ##\beta## such that ##\lim\limits_{N\to\infty} N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} =\beta## with ##\beta \neq 0##
Relevant Equations: ##\int_a^b f(x) dx= F(b)-F(a)##

1. ##\sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)} \iff \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx##

Where do I go from here? I've tried understanding this graphically, but to no avail.
This looks to me like a Riemann sum for an integral: ##\int_{x = 0}^N \arctan(x)~dx##, or maybe ##\int_{x = 1}^{N + 1} \arctan(x)~dx##. That's the approach I would take for starters.
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2. Maybe this follows from finding an upper and lower bound for ##N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)}##, and then somehow applying the squeeze theorem?
 
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If we have ##\sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)} \geq \int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx##, then ##N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \arctan{(n)}## is simply the latter multiplied by a constant ##N^\alpha##. To obtain this expression in the first place, would it be reasonable to find an upper bound to the upper Riemann sum? Does it exist?
 
By the way, out of curiosity, how does one get ##\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx## from ##N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx##.

I get

##N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx
\iff N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx ##
How does one incorporate the ##N## in the integral and turn this into ##\arctan##?
 
I do not understand your questions, sorry.
schniefen said:
To obtain this expression in the first place, would it be reasonable to find an upper bound to the upper Riemann sum? Does it exist?
What does this mean? What expression? And why do you want to find an upper bound for something which is already an upper bound for something else? Why? What for?

In order ##N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \operatorname{arctan} n## to converge, the ##\alpha## has to be so small, that it compensates the ##N\cdot\frac{\pi}{2}## term of the ##\operatorname{arctan}## as well as the increasing ##N##.
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By the way, out of curiosity, how does one get ##\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx## from ##N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx##.

I get

##N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx
\iff N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx ##
How does one incorporate the ##N## in the integral and turn this into ##\arctan##?
I was talking about $$\int \operatorname{arctan}\frac{x}{a}\,dx = x\operatorname{arctan}\frac{x}{a}-\frac{a}{2}\log(a^2+x^2)$$ and not about the derivative.

I'm not sure how to differentiate ##\operatorname{arctan}##. I would try the inverse function theorem or a Weierstraß substitution to integrate ##\frac{1}{1+x^2}##.
 
Since

##N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)}=\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx##​

but ##N \arctan{(N)}-(1/2)\ln{(1+N^2)}## is also equal to

##N \int_0^N \frac{1}{1+x^2} dx - \int_0^N \frac{x}{1+x^2} dx = N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx##
How does one get that ##N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx =\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx## ?
 
Why is ##\pi \,\int_0^{\pi} \frac{4x}{\pi^3}\,dx = \int_0^{\pi} \operatorname{sin}x\,dx\,?##

Finite integrals are just a real number. So why are two different descriptions of a real number equal? Of course as ##\frac{d}{dx}\operatorname{arctan}x = \frac{1}{1+x^2} ## there are connections between those expressions. My suspicion is that this will lead to the Weierstraß substitution.
 
Okay. So ##N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx## is not necessarily equal to ##\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx##?
fresh_42 said:
In order ##N^\alpha \sum_{n=1}^N \operatorname{arctan} n## to converge, the ##\alpha## has to be so small, that it compensates the ##N\cdot\frac{\pi}{2}## term of the ##\operatorname{arctan}## as well as the increasing ##N##.
Can there possibly be any ##\alpha## that compensates for this? Won't ##N^{\alpha}## yield ##[\infty]^{\alpha}## as ##N\to\infty##? If ##\alpha<0##, the limit ##\beta## will be 0 (but ##\beta\neq0##), and for all other ##\alpha## the limit will be infinite, or?
 
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Okay. So ##N\int_0^N \frac{1-x}{1+x^2} dx## is not necessarily equal to ##\int_0^N \arctan{(x)} dx##?
It is equal, you can calculate both sides. But what does it mean if two formulas yield the same result? In our case there are connections between ##\operatorname{arctan}x ## and ##\frac{1}{x^2+1}## but not obvious ones. As mentioned, I think the Weierstaß substitution is a good place for further investigations.
Can there possibly be any ##\alpha## that compensates for this? Won't ##N^{\alpha}## yield ##[\infty]^{\alpha}## as ##N\to\infty##? If ##\alpha<0##, the limit ##\beta## will be 0 (but ##\beta\neq0##), and for all other ##\alpha## the limit will be infinite, or?
Write it down as your result. However, you have forgotten a case!
 

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