Are double bonds/resonance structures more nucleophilic?

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The discussion revolves around the nucleophilicity of carbon-carbon double and triple bonds, as well as resonance structures in benzene rings. Participants explore whether these bonds are more or less nucleophilic compared to single bonds and consider the conditions under which they may act as nucleophiles or electrophiles.

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  • Some participants propose that carbon-carbon double bonds may be less nucleophilic due to a reduction in formal charge, suggesting fewer electrons are available for donation.
  • Others argue that double bonds can indeed act as nucleophiles, particularly in reactions with strong acids, indicating that they do donate electrons in certain contexts.
  • A participant questions whether double bonds can also be electrophilic when reacting with strong nucleophiles.
  • It is noted that the nucleophilicity or electrophilicity of double bonds can depend on various factors, including the nature of the substituents and the specific electrophiles or nucleophiles involved.
  • One participant mentions that double bonds with electrophilic substituents can exhibit electrophilic behavior, particularly at specific positions on the molecule.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nucleophilicity of double bonds, with no consensus reached. Some believe double bonds are less nucleophilic, while others assert they can be nucleophilic under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of nucleophilicity and electrophilicity, emphasizing that the behavior of double and triple bonds can vary significantly based on their chemical environment and substituents.

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I'm only talking about carbon-carbon double/triple bonds here.

A nucleophilic atom is one that would donate electrons to an electrophile (often a highly electronegative atom like oxygen or a halogen). Anyways, what about carbon-carbon double bonds? I'm inclined to think that they're less nucleophilic since their formal chage is reduced by the double bond (so there are fewer electrons to go around each carbon atom).

Does the same logic apply to resonance structures in benzene rings?
 
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Simfish said:
I'm only talking about carbon-carbon double/triple bonds here.

A nucleophilic atom is one that would donate electrons to an electrophile (often a highly electronegative atom like oxygen or a halogen). Anyways, what about carbon-carbon double bonds? I'm inclined to think that they're less nucleophilic since their formal chage is reduced by the double bond (so there are fewer electrons to go around each carbon atom).

Does the same logic apply to resonance structures in benzene rings?

More nucleophilic than what? Double bonds do donate their electrons in reactions so in that sense they are nucleophilic. They tend to do it to strong acids, specifically the proton. Usually the first step addition with HX. With benzene structures, strong acids like you would find in Friedel-Crafts conditions can be thought of in this way.

Triple bonds are a special case.
 
Are they more nucleophilic than carbon-carbon single bonds?

Oh okay I see. Could double bonds also be electrophilic? (with respect to strong nucleophiles?)
 
It's hard to give a definitive answer to this because it depends on a lot of things, e.g. what double bond/triple bond is reacting with and what its substituents are. With a strong enough electrophile, a double bond will be nucleophilic. Similarly, with a strong enough nucleophile, a double bond will be electrophilic.

In general though, double bonds that have an electrophilic substituent, e.g. something like C=C-NO2, will be electrophilic at the beta carbon, and something CH3S- can add to the double bond.
 

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