Are escape-trajectory-only forces possible?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of forces that may only act on spacecraft once they reach escape velocity from a gravitational source, particularly in the context of observed discrepancies in spacecraft trajectories, such as the Earth flyby anomalies. The scope includes theoretical implications and potential new physics that could explain these anomalies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that discrepancies in spacecraft trajectories, like the Earth flyby anomalies, could be attributed to new physics involving forces that activate only at escape velocity.
  • Others mention the Pioneer anomaly as a related topic and suggest reviewing additional sources for context.
  • A participant references a recent study questioning whether a statistically significant anomalous acceleration signal remains after accounting for thermal recoil forces.
  • Links to various sources are provided to support claims and further explore the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus; multiple competing views and hypotheses remain regarding the nature and implications of the proposed forces and the anomalies themselves.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the proposed forces and their potential violations of known physical laws, as well as the dependency on the definitions of escape velocity and gravitational influence.

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Just suppose for a moment that various discrepancies in spacecraft trajectories, such as the Earth flyby anomalies, are due to new physics. It’s been pointed out in various sources, for example http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0608087" , that the spacecraft happen to be on hyperbolic trajectories when the anomalies occur. Further, suppose that this new physics involves forces that only act on an object once it reaches escape velocity from a gravitational source such as the sun or a planet.

The question is: Would such a force cause any obvious violations of the known laws of physics? For example, would it break any conservational laws?
 
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inottoe said:
Just suppose for a moment that various discrepancies in spacecraft trajectories, such as the Earth flyby anomalies, are due to new physics.
If you're talking about the Pioneer anomaly, you might want to read this: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=486509"
 
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Well, nothing's definitive just yet. There's http://arxiv.org/abs/1107.2886" from a few days ago.
The main question is whether or not a statistically significant anomalous acceleration signal still remains in the residuals after the thermal recoil force has been properly accounted for. Results of this meticulous study will be published soon.
 
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