Are men wired differently than women?

[djeipa]

I will, promise, stop from now.

 

[Evo]

And worse than the cost of getting nails done is the TIME! I was tortured by one friend who thought all the bridesmaids in her wedding should have manicures and pedicures done the day before it. I was soooooooo bored! You can't even read a book because you can't touch anything, and all the other women in the place just want to talk about things like manicures and pedicures and what color nailpolish to wear and who does their hair and... It was painful.

STOP! Even hearing it described is painful. I have never had my nails done. I hate those shovel shapes they do on nails, they're not only UGLY they're SCARY! Why on Earth do women pay to get such ugly nails? The first thing I think when I see a woman with those nails is "what a dumba$$".

 

[wolram]

Ah, when you put it that way, it seems like a very worthwhile endeavor!



Don't look at me, I don't understand it either. My sister used to do the home perm thing when we were teenagers. I couldn't stand to be indoors while she was doing that...my dad and I headed out to the garage where the air was much fresher. And worse than the cost of getting nails done is the TIME! I was tortured by one friend who thought all the bridesmaids in her wedding should have manicures and pedicures done the day before it. I was soooooooo bored! You can't even read a book because you can't touch anything, and all the other women in the place just want to talk about things like manicures and pedicures and what color nailpolish to wear and who does their hair and... It was painful. And then I ruined the manicure as soon as we got back to her house anyway. Her darling husband had attempted to wash the dishes and put regular dish detergent in the dishwasher, so we arrived home to a VERY flooded kitchen full of suds! It looked like something out of a cartoon. So I grabbed the mop and bucket and started swabbing the deck.

Oh, then the next morning she tortured us by dragging us all off to some hairdressers. Having someone wash my hair and massage my head was nice, but that only lasted about 5 min...then they do awful things to you like bake your head in some oven-like device, and then tug and pull your hair, and get dangerously close to your forehead with what must be branding irons, and then they rub sticky goop in your hair (why bother having it washed if you're just going to make it sticky), and then gas you with these toxic chemicals sprayed all around your head. She better stay married, because I'm not going through that again for her. Before that, the last time I went to a hairdresser, I think I was 13 or 14 and thought I wanted a new haircut until I got it and hated it and refused to ever go to a hairdresser ever again. They're evil, sadistic people.

Do i detect an exceptional woman or a tom boy either way its cool

 

[djeipa]

But you always sound gentle to me.

 

[wolram]

STOP! Even hearing it described is painful. I have never had my nails done. I hate those shovel shapes they do on nails, they're not only UGLY they're SCARY! Why on Earth do women pay to get such ugly nails? The first thing I think when I see a woman with those nails is "what a dumba$$".

Sisters and both tom boys ? wow

 

[Moonbear]

STOP! Even hearing it described is painful. I have never had my nails done. I hate those shovel shapes they do on nails, they're not only UGLY they're SCARY! Why on Earth do women pay to get such ugly nails? The first thing I think when I see a woman with those nails is "what a dumba$$".

I think they suck your brains out through your fingertips with those cuticle things.

Do i detect an exceptional woman or a tom boy either way its cool

I choose the first one.

 

[honestrosewater]

Woops, I meant hanged, of course.

Rosie, the only proper type of screwdriver is the Robertson. Sounds as if Moonbear has a couple of those in her kit. They're square, and almost unstrippable. I've had 3" #6 Robertson screws twist in half with my 1/2" Makita drill driving them, and the heads were still fine.

I was just wondering why people would put up with needing so many screwdrivers. Of the screw heads here, the spanner looks like the most adaptable. Imagine this driver: two (or however many - 3, 4?) prongs that are a series of several, um, retractable sub-prongs, smaller ones inside of larger ones - like this. You have prongs of all different radii in one tool and just collapse the sub-prongs not in use (they are held in place by some device).
The distances between the holes in the screw heads are also going to vary, so the prongs also adjust to match... somehow. I don't know - I'm just thinking of this. How does it sound? One screwdriver fits many, many screws. What's wrong with it?
Okay, if you're using a power tool, it's hard to disengage, so you just need better power tools that will stall before the prongs break.
On the bright side, they're hard to disengage - no slipping out.
I think the stripping problem is also solved?

 

[Moonbear]

You need different screwdrivers not just for the size of the tip, but the length of the shaft. Sometimes you're working in small spaces and a short shaft works best, and sometimes you have lots of room, so can go with a longer shaft, or to get a little more torque, there are L- or T-shaped handles on them. The heads of the screws are different sizes too, depending on what you need to fasten and the width of the screw itself. Size does matter with screwdrivers!

You can buy a power tool that has a clutch in it (I think that's the right term) so that you don't drive a screw too far and strip it (it disengages just like you suggested).

 

[honestrosewater]

You need different screwdrivers not just for the size of the tip, but the length of the shaft. Sometimes you're working in small spaces and a short shaft works best, and sometimes you have lots of room, so can go with a longer shaft, or to get a little more torque, there are L- or T-shaped handles on them.

Right, I think that's partially covered. The shaft can adjust to different lengths by collapsing or extending the other subprongs. The device that locks the subprongs in place while in use can add extra strength or maybe even bear most of the load. I imagine this could be a cylinder running along the inside of the shaft (the subprongs themselves are hollow, as they need to fit inside of each other). For simplicity, take a three-subprong driver. Label the subprongs by increasing radius x, y, z, with z retracting into the handle. Say you're using y. x is retracted into y. To shorten the shaft, retract z into the handle and lock; to lengthen, pull z out of the handle and lock.
That doesn't make much of a difference, but you would normally have more than three subprongs (I imagine). And you could always add an extension to the handle, I suppose. I don't mean for this to cover every possible case, just many more cases than the other screwdrivers.

The heads of the screws are different sizes too, depending on what you need to fasten and the width of the screw itself.

Yeah, the prongs adjust relative to each other, moving closer together or further apart, though I don't know how yet. If you only have two prongs, they could just slide along a holder perpendicular to the shaft. Or maybe the holder moves, whatever.

You can buy a power tool that has a clutch in it (I think that's the right term) so that you don't drive a screw too far and strip it (it disengages just like you suggested).

Cool. Edit: Oh, just to be sure, I mean the motor would just 'cut off' when it enountered a certain amount of resistance, which you could specify ahead of time.

So can you picture what I'm talking about? I don't have the right vocab to describe it. I'm trying to think of something similar...

 

[Moonbear]

It sounds like it might work for something like an allen wrench or the robertson style. I don't think you could get something like a phillips head or flat head to work with the telescoping dealie. But, but, but, that would take all the fun away of displaying your screwdriver collection if it was just one bit that collapsed inside itself. But, I'd probably buy it to add to my collection as a nifty gadget.

 

[honestrosewater]

It sounds like it might work for something like an allen wrench or the robertson style. I don't think you could get something like a phillips head or flat head to work with the telescoping dealie.

Yeah, it's only meant to work for the spanner head; it's (i), the bottom right one here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Screw_drive_types.png
But it could have more prongs/holes (3 or 4 seem better?).
It is sounding more complicated than I'd like, but that's possibly because I haven't thought it through or combined parts that could be combined. Meh, it's just an idea.

But, but, but, that would take all the fun away of displaying your screwdriver collection if it was just one bit that collapsed inside itself. But, I'd probably buy it to add to my collection as a nifty gadget.

With my luck, if it's a good idea, it already exists. So if it doesn't exist... And since you don't have one yet...

 

[Moonbear]

Oh, I see. Now I know what you're talking about with prongs/holes. I think the hard part would be keeping it locked when extended so it didn't collapse on you as soon as you put some force on the screwdriver...that and keeping from turning your screwdriver into a corkscrew!

I've never seen anything like anything in that bottom row. Those are some nifty looking screw heads!

I rather prefer the ones that are both phillips and flat...it's the phillips head, but with one of the crosses extended all the way to the end of the screw head, so if you strip it with a phillips screwdriver, you can still remove it with a flat head screwdriver.

 

[honestrosewater]

I rather prefer the ones that are both phillips and flat...it's the phillips head, but with one of the crosses extended all the way to the end of the screw head, so if you strip it with a phillips screwdriver, you can still remove it with a flat head screwdriver.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about those. That was a good idea.

 

[honestrosewater]

Oh, I see. Now I know what you're talking about with prongs/holes. I think the hard part would be keeping it locked when extended so it didn't collapse on you as soon as you put some force on the screwdriver...that and keeping from turning your screwdriver into a corkscrew!

Oops, deleted this part. On the shortest setting, the shaft is only as long as the subprong that is in use. The others are tucked away; the smaller ones are inside of the subprong in use; the larger ones are inside of the handle. Er, is it clear what I mean the subprongs to be?

Here are two prongs and six subprongs:

____ ___ __ A

____ ___ __ B
--[/color]C-_-[/color]D---[/color]E

A and B are prongs; C, D, and E are subprongs. The subprongs retract.

 

[Moonbear]

Oops, deleted this part. On the shortest setting, the shaft is only as long as the subprong that is in use. The others are tucked away; the smaller ones are inside of the subprong in use; the larger ones are inside of the handle. Er, is it clear what I mean the subprongs to be?

Here are two prongs and six subprongs:

____ ___ __ A

____ ___ __ B
--[/color]C-_-[/color]D---[/color]E

A and B are prongs; C, D, and E are subprongs. The subprongs retract.

Okay, I'm getting the picture. Still not sure how you'd keep the one in use extended (or locked) if they can retract into the handle, but the general concept is materializing and making sense. Maybe a slot down the side so you can turn the extended one so the slot doesn't line up with the slot in the handle and can't slip in? If you're only proposing it for that one design, it could work (for any of the others, rotating the subprongs would defeat the purpose of a screwdriver).

 

[honestrosewater]

Yeah, sorry, the explanations aren't the clearest, and I don't know how they would lock. I may think more about it later. If I find a good design, I'll just sketch a diagram or something. I should probably go see what the drivers for a spanner screw look like.

 

[Danger]

I should probably go see what the drivers for a spanner screw look like.

Okay... now I know what you're talking about (just checked the links). Forget the spanner. I've encountered them in the past, but didn't know what they were called. They're for very low-torque applications where you just hope that somebody else doesn't have a driver to undo it. If you try to get any reasonable tightness out of those things, the prongs snap off of the driver. Those, Torx, and shear-bolts, as far as I know, were all invented by the automotive industry in order to keep people from performing even simple tasks like headlight replacement by themselves because the tools weren't originally available to the public. It caused me a bit of irritation as a locksmith, except that we figured out different methods of removing them and then replaced them with conventional hardware.

 

[honestrosewater]

Whatever you say, daddy-o. I don't know what's wrong with me - I just want to know that there's a solution to this 57 screwdriver problem. The retractable heads thing could work for the Robertson too. Same idea. The smaller heads retract into the larger heads. http://www.wle.com/wholesale/media/W289-290.jpg.

 

[djeipa]

Oooouuu, that page reminds me of jackey's movies.

By the way, can you or anyone tell me why there are some pages I can see something lilke http://www.wle.com/wholesale/media/ ---all of image database but in some other cases i am forbidden to have a look at ? What do the owners turn on or off anyway ?
Thanks

 

[Danger]

Whatever you say, daddy-o.

I like the sound of that.
One thing that I can't figure out about your idea is how to get any strength out of the tips. If they're hollow for nesting other ones inside, your wall thickness must be minute.

 

[Moonbear]

Okay... now I know what you're talking about (just checked the links). Forget the spanner.

Heh, yeah, before she posted the link with the pictures, I thought she was talking about crescent wrenches since that's what the Brits call them. I was thinking maybe she had some idea for a new type of socket wrench or something. Pictures really help.

 

[Danger]

Pictures really help.

That they do. The only places that I've run across those things is in things like towel dispensers in public washrooms or service panels in jukeboxes or whatnot. If you ever need to remove/replace one, snap-ring pliers will work for really loose ones. A bit tighter is easy with a couple of nails clamped into the jaws of a Vise-Grip.

 

[cefarix]

Let's see...these are the stereotypical male characteristics I posses :
1. I am messy.
2. I am always on the computer.
3. I am a physics and computer and aerospace geek.
4. I don't care much about how I look (i go to classes wearing slippers and sleep in the same clothes for example)

And now some not-so-male traits I have...
1. I have no interest in sports (except perhaps the football [soccer for all you americans] world cup [i think its called FIFA?] and the cricket world cup)
2. I have never been in a sports team, ever...
3. I have no interest in cars whatsoever (im 18 and i don't even know how to drive yet)
4. I have no problem cooking my own food, making my own bed, washing my own clothes and doing the dishes...(i have to since i live in a dorm)

But then I also know some girls with boyish characteristics...
like my cousin's friend...she's crazy about fighter jets
and my lil sis, well...having 5 bros (im the eldest sibling) and no sisters she is a bit tomboyish
she's quiet shy about wearing good looking clothes and is always telling me how the girls in her class are doing "those girl things which i can't stand" (basically gossip and boyfriend talk ) but she does manage to roll her eyes, cat fight (she is one helluva fighter btw...), and say stuff like "i hate you" just like any other girl. then there is other thing...a lot of girls somehow think they are entitled to "protection" no matter what they do. so if my sis gets in a fight with me, and i get really mad at her, i hit her back lightly, and she's like "ooooh you hit a girl!"

 

[Moonbear]

Let's see...these are the stereotypical male characteristics I posses :
1. I am messy.
2. I am always on the computer.
3. I am a physics and computer and aerospace geek.
4. I don't care much about how I look (i go to classes wearing slippers and sleep in the same clothes for example)

And now some not-so-male traits I have...
1. I have no interest in sports (except perhaps the football [soccer for all you americans] world cup [i think its called FIFA?] and the cricket world cup)
2. I have never been in a sports team, ever...
3. I have no interest in cars whatsoever (im 18 and i don't even know how to drive yet)
4. I have no problem cooking my own food, making my own bed, washing my own clothes and doing the dishes...(i have to since i live in a dorm)

I think all that stuff makes you a stereotypical geek.

 

[honestrosewater]

I like the sound of that.
One thing that I can't figure out about your idea is how to get any strength out of the tips. If they're hollow for nesting other ones inside, your wall thickness must be minute.

Yes, it's so sad. Whatever, keep your 57 screwdrivers. I give up. I give up on everything!

 

[Gabrielle]

Maybe we should bring in Tim Taylor from Home Improvement.

 

[cefarix]

I think all that stuff makes you a stereotypical geek.

isnt being a geek a male characteristic?

 

[Danger]

Yes, it's so sad. Whatever, keep your 57 screwdrivers. I give up. I give up on everything!

There, there, sweetie; don't get yourself in a state. There are a couple of brands on the market that work somewhat like the one you proposed. They store the bits the way a revolver stores cartridges, and you just slide the one that you want into position.
(And I don't actually have more than a dozen or so, but a few of them are magnetic ones that take one of 50 or so bits that I keep on hand.)

 

[honestrosewater]

There, there, sweetie; don't get yourself in a state. There are a couple of brands on the market that work somewhat like the one you proposed. They store the bits the way a revolver stores cartridges, and you just slide the one that you want into position.
(And I don't actually have more than a dozen or so, but a few of them are magnetic ones that take one of 50 or so bits that I keep on hand.)

Thanks, I'm okay now. Maybe it's better this way. The more moving parts, the more ways it can break. If used properly, a regular screwdriver would probably last longer than a fancy one. So you don't need as many of them after all. I just wasn't considering all of the generations of users.