Are Monochromatic Plane Wave Solutions Viable in Conductive Dielectrics?

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The discussion centers on the viability of monochromatic plane wave solutions in conductive dielectrics, particularly in the context of Maxwell's equations and the implications of material conductivity on wave propagation. It explores theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and practical considerations related to wave behavior in such media.

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  • One participant presents a mathematical formulation of wave equations in isotropic materials with conductivity, highlighting a complex dispersion relation for the wave vector.
  • Another participant argues that pure plane wave solutions do not exist due to inevitable attenuation in conductive dielectrics, suggesting that approximations are often used instead.
  • A later reply confirms the previous point about separating real and imaginary components and discusses the representation of attenuation and oscillation through exponential terms.
  • Another participant elaborates on the calculation of the wave number and the representation of propagation, indicating the complexity involved in deriving these expressions.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and practicality of monochromatic plane wave solutions in conductive dielectrics, with some asserting that pure solutions do not exist while others explore the conditions under which approximations may be valid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the viability of such solutions.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of wave propagation in conductive media, the complexity of separating real and imaginary components, and the assumptions made regarding attenuation in practical applications.

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Let's see if I understand this correctly... In an isotropic material of conductivity \sigma \neq 0 (and charge density \rho=0, the 4th Maxwell equation has a non-null current term \vec{J}=\sigma \vec{E} so the resulting wave equations for \vec{E} and \vec{H} take the form

\nabla ^2\vec{E}=\frac{\epsilon \mu}{c^2}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2}\vec{E}+\frac{4\pi \mu \sigma}{c^2}\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\vec{E}

and the same thing for \vec{H}. (I am using the same unit convention as in Greiner's 'Classical Electrodynamics' book)

If we try a solution of the form

\vec{E}=\vec{E}_0e^{i(\vec{k}\cdot \vec{r}-\omega t + \phi)}

(the monochromatic plane wave solution), we find that it is a solution provided that the wave number vector satisfies the following complex dispersion relation:

|\vec{k}|^2=k^2=\epsilon \mu\frac{\omega^2}{c^2}\left( 1+\frac{4\pi i\sigma}{\epsilon \omega}\right)

We know that if a complex function satisfies a linear diff. equ. such as the above "wave equation", its real and imaginary part taken separately are also solutions. In vacuum, separating the real and imaginary part of the sine wave solution was easy because \vec{k} was real. Now, \vec{k} is non-real as soon as the conductivity is non-zero, and to get the real part of \vec{E}_0e^{i(\vec{k}\cdot \vec{r}-\omega t + \phi)}, we must decompose the exponential according to Euler's formula and then expand the sine and cosine in their Taylor series, and finally group together the real parts and the imaginary parts.

At this point I don't know what to think. This seems rather impractical. Does it turn out in the end that a monochromatic plane wave solutions (with real wave vector \mathcal{K}) exists? Please comment!
 
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Pure plane wave solutions do not exist because of the attenuation that inevitably occurs as a wave propagates through a dielectric. The degree of attenuation is determined by the imaginary component of the refractive index.

If the attenuation is small, then a plane wave solution can be an excellent approximation to the full solution. More often though when modelling, theorists neglect the attenuation terms altogether, preferring instead to tack it on later, as loss is a figure that is typically measured rather than worked out using first principles, in the optical region of the EM spectrum at least.

(On a side note with regard to your second last paragraph - Typically the real terms are brought out into a second exponential so you get two exponentials multiplied by one another, one representing the attenuation and one representing the oscillation.)

Claude.
 
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Claude Bile said:
(On a side note with regard to your second last paragraph - Typically the real terms are brought out into a second exponential so you get two exponentials multiplied by one another, one representing the attenuation and one representing the oscillation.)
Ah, of course!
 
The wave propagates like exp(ikz). You calculate k as
k=k_r+k_i=[k^2]^1/2. This is a bilt complicated, but is done in EM textbooks. Then the proagation is exp[ik_r] exp[-k_i],
showing the attenuation.
 

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