Are Photons Particles or Waves in the Nature of Light?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of photons and their relationship to light, exploring whether photons are particles, waves, or a combination of both. Participants examine various theories and interpretations related to the wave-particle duality of light, including electromagnetic wave theory and the implications of photon interactions with matter.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how photons constitute light, debating whether they travel in transverse or longitudinal waves, or if they travel in waves at all.
  • One participant asserts that photons are mass-less particles with wave-like properties, capable of interacting with atoms and diffracting around obstacles.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that light is fundamentally an electromagnetic wave, with photon properties emerging only during interactions with matter, suggesting that photons do not travel in waves.
  • A participant cautions against the common perception of photons as "little bullets," arguing that this analogy can be misleading and that the electromagnetic field should be understood without such divisions.
  • There is a mention of relativity and the artificial division between electric and magnetic fields, indicating a more complex understanding of electromagnetic phenomena.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of photons and light, with no consensus reached on whether photons should be considered particles, waves, or a combination of both. The discussion remains unresolved, highlighting multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with some limitations in definitions and assumptions about the nature of light and photons. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in physics regarding wave-particle duality and the interpretation of electromagnetic theory.

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I have been wondering, how do photons make up light? Are they particles that travel in transverse waves? Or do they travel in longitudinal waves? Or do they travel in waves at all?
 
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Photons are particles of light that have wave like properties, in some ways like the electron. Photons are mass-less particles that have a certain amount of energy (dependent on what frequency of light it is), and can interact via collisions with atoms etc and transfer this energy just like a particle. However, the photons can also diffract around obstacles (only not noticeably for humans as their wavelengths are so small), just like a wave. At first this idea may seem bizarre yet I would suggest taking a look at the photoelectric effect on you tube or asking a teacher to show you as I it answers a lot of questions.
Hope this helped :)
 
sorry i meant to say 'i find that this answers a lot of questions'*
 
First, forget everything you've ever heard about photons. It's misleading.

Consider the view that light is an electromagnetic wave. This view describes 99.9% of all properties you will ever encounter with light, including diffraction, refraction, and reflection. It is only when you look into how light interacts with matter that the "particle" properties come into play.

It turns out that EM waves only interacts with matter in specific amounts of energy at a time, an amount that depends on the frequency of the wave. The higher the frequency the higher the energy that the wave interacts with. This "packet" of energy is what we call a photon. This is different than the situation in a classical wave, in which energy is transferred continuously, not in packets.

So no, the photons are not traveling in waves. They are merely the way an EM wave interacts with matter. It is the EM wave itself that is doing all the moving and traveling and oscillating.
 
Thank you for the answers.
 
@Drakkith: a very good answer!
 
Drakkith said:
First, forget everything you've ever heard about photons. It's misleading.

Consider the view that light is an electromagnetic wave. This view describes 99.9% of all properties you will ever encounter with light, including diffraction, refraction, and reflection. It is only when you look into how light interacts with matter that the "particle" properties come into play.

It turns out that EM waves only interacts with matter in specific amounts of energy at a time, an amount that depends on the frequency of the wave. The higher the frequency the higher the energy that the wave interacts with. This "packet" of energy is what we call a photon. This is different than the situation in a classical wave, in which energy is transferred continuously, not in packets.

So no, the photons are not traveling in waves. They are merely the way an EM wave interacts with matter. It is the EM wave itself that is doing all the moving and traveling and oscillating.

+1

Also, the word 'particle' that is often used to describe a photon is very very misleading to the uninitiated because of all the connotations of that word. You have to make a huge effort and not think of photons as little bullets - especially not 'wiggling bullets'.
 
sophiecentaur said:
You have to make a huge effort and not think of photons as little bullets - especially not 'wiggling bullets'.
Nor electromagnetic field is like this.

Relativity shows that the division between electric field and magnetic field is artificial. in the 4D formalism appears only an electromagnetic field without division. Electric field and magnetic field depends in the selection of frame of reference.

Patrick
 

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