Are Photons Vibrations or a Separate Entity in Light Transmission?

[itallcomestoenergy]

That is not right. Sound waves are oscillations in the air pressure and electromagnetic radiation is oscillation in the electromagnetic field. They are no more related to one another than either one of them is related to water waves, which are oscillations in the depth of the water.

Even if they have the same frequency, they are completely different phenomena. A 20 kHz sound wave is a very high-pitched sound, a 20 kHz electromagnetic wave might be used for radio communication with submerged submarines

But they both are operating in the frequency-matter-world? Hz.

 

[Nugatory]

So there is light and photons operating in every inch of our universe?

Yes. Even areas that are completely dark to our eyes (such as the inside of deep caverns) are brightly lit in the infrared and longer wavelengths.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

Yes. Even areas that are completely dark to our eyes (such as the inside of deep caverns) are brightly lit in the infrared and longer wavelengths.

Thank you

 

[Nugatory]

But they both are operating in the frequency-matter-world? Hz.

“Hz” is just a convenient way of saying “per second”, telling us nothing about what is happening that many times per second.

 

[ZapperZ]

Your are not missing anything. My point is that there are some kind of transport-medium in space, right? It is not totally empty out there. What about gravitational waves, their energy travels thru something before they affect matter

NO there isn’t!

Zz.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

NO there isn’t!

Zz.

Then where does dark matter and dark energy come into the picture?

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

“Hz” is just a convenient way of saying “per second”, telling us nothing about what is happening that many times per second.

Ok, but it tells something about how these phenomenas are operating. So they all have something in common?

 

[weirdoguy]

Then where does dark matter and dark energy come into the picture?

What does it have to do with electromagnetic waves and your initial question?

 

[DennisN]

Ok, but it tells something about how these phenomenas are operating.

(my bolding)

Not really. Hz is a unit and says nothing (or very little) about the process itself, other than that there is some sort of repetition going on in the process.

Compare with a watch and the unit second (s). The unit "second" says nothing about how the watch works, other than it (the watch) measures time.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

What does it have to do with electromagnetic waves and your initial question?

How 'phenomenas' travel thru the universe, and how beings percepts these observable happenings

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

(my bolding)

Not really. Hz is a unit and says nothing (or very little) about the process itself, other than that there is some sort of repetition going on in the process.

Compare with a watch and the unit second (s). The unit "second" says nothing about how the watch works, other than it (the watch) measures time.

Ok ESL, pardon my english. I am norwegian. I meant that they are operating in a vibration kind of behaviour

 

[DennisN]

I meant that they are operating in a vibration kind of behaviour

Both sound and light are wave phenomenon (in classical physics), and they are two phenomenon which often have frequencies associated with them. But the two different phenomenon work very differently. Very differently.

And here's a trick question for you regarding Hz:
A wheel that is spinning with a constant velocity performs a repeating behavior, where the wheel spinning around a centre can be expressed in Hz (revolutions/second). Is this a form of "vibration"?

EDIT: Also, computer processors have different frequency values associated with them (kHz, MHz, GHz etc), but is this a form of "vibration"?

 

[ZapperZ]

Then where does dark matter and dark energy come into the picture?

I could ask you a similar question. If you think light needs a medium, then where do Special Relativity fit into the picture, considering the result of Michaelson-Morley experiment, the accuracy of your GPS, etc? If you do not know how this actually fit into the question, then maybe you should look again at the Postulates of Special Relativity.

How you think you can connect this to DM/DE, I have no idea. You were the one who made the connection, not me. I do not have to explain what you have in your mind.

Zz.

 

[russ_watters]

Okey, so the medium is vacuum. With hints of atoms(?) What about sound waves? They operate in a lower frequency, but they are not transferrible in vacuum? Do I get this right? The reason I ask is because of illustrations of lights frequency spectrum.

Light waves and sound waves are different things and no, sound waves don't necessarily operate at lower frequency; there is overlap.

 

[Dale]

Ok, but it tells something about how these phenomenas are operating. So they all have something in common?

Yes, they all have a frequency. That does not mean that they are all vibrations. Not all things that have mass are bananas, just like not all things that have frequency are vibrations.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

Yes, they all have a frequency. That does not mean that they are all vibrations. Not all things that have mass are bananas, just like not all things that have frequency are vibrations.

lol. Good point. But if it is frequency that describes that vibration is common. Isnt it this we should 'science' more? Thinking of how energy works?

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

Light waves and sound waves are different things and no, sound waves don't necessarily operate at lower frequency; there is overlap.

Yes, I am sound engineer so I am aware of that :)

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

Both sound and light are wave phenomenon (in classical physics), and they are two phenomenon which often have frequencies associated with them. But the two different phenomenon work very differently. Very differently.

And here's a trick question for you regarding Hz:
A wheel that is spinning with a constant velocity performs a repeating behavior, where the wheel spinning around a centre can be expressed in Hz (revolutions/second). Is this a form of "vibration"?

EDIT: Also, computer processors have different frequency values associated with them (kHz, MHz, GHz etc), but is this a form of "vibration"?

Yes, but it can be affected by vibrations, and there on Hz(?)

 

[weirdoguy]

if it is frequency that describes that vibration is common

What? I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Frequency is one of the many characteristics of vibrations, waves and other phenomena, it does not "describe that vibration is common".

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

What? I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Frequency is one of the many characteristics of vibrations and waves, it does not "describe that vibration is common".

Than why can we describe Hz in different phenomenas, where is the connection between these phenomenas?

 

[weirdoguy]

Because definition of frequency is such that we can ascribe it to different phenomena. We don't need any deeper connection between them and I really don't understand why you treat frequency as if it were something special. As I said, it's one of many characteristics, not main one.

 

[ZapperZ]

Than why can we describe Hz in different phenomenas, where is the connection between these phenomenas?

A object makes 20 complete revolution in a circular motion path in 20 seconds. We can describe that it as having a frequency of 1 Hz.

So, I used the same units here, i.e. Hz. Tell me what's "vibrating".

Zz.

 

[weirdoguy]

We can describe that it as having a frequency of 20 Hz.

1Hz

 

[ZapperZ]

1Hz

Thanks. I think one thing, and my fingers do their own thing sometime.

Zz.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

A object makes 20 complete revolution in a circular motion path in 20 seconds. We can describe that it as having a frequency of 1 Hz.

So, I used the same units here, i.e. Hz. Tell me what's "vibrating".

Zz.

Vibrating is something that operates as a wave. The simplest form of wave is a sine(?)

 

[ZapperZ]

Vibrating is something that operates as a wave. The simplest form of wave is a sine(?)

You did not reply to my question, but instead, you went off on your own tangent.

I brought up something that can be described in terms of the unit "Hz". You claim that everything using that unit must be a vibration. I asked you to tell me what is "vibrating" in that example that I gave. Please answer that.

Zz.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

You did not reply to my question, but instead, you went off on your own tangent.

I brought up something that can be described in terms of the unit "Hz". You claim that everything using that unit must be a vibration. I asked you to tell me what is "vibrating" in that example that I gave. Please answer that.

Zz.

Im sorry. Phenomenas operating as a wave affects everything around it. So the vibration in this particular example, comes also from it surroundings. Thereby might particles vibrate. For example phonons.

 

[ZapperZ]

Im sorry,

Im sorry. Phenomenas operating as a wave affects everything around it. So the vibration in this particular example, comes also from it surroundings. Thereby might particles vibrate. For example phonons.

Not only is this puzzling, but it is also nonsensical.

There are no phonons here.

So one last time before I stop playing this game, what is vibrating in my example?

Zz.

 

[itallcomestoenergy]

Not only is this puzzling, but it is also nonsensical.

There are no phonons here.

So one last time before I stop playing this game, what is vibrating in my example?

Zz.

It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer. Yet

 

[ZapperZ]

It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer.

It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer. Yet..

It was an example of what, your inability to comprehend the scenario?

Zz.