Are Photons Vibrations or a Separate Entity in Light Transmission?

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The discussion centers on whether photons are vibrations or if vibrations serve as a transport medium for light. Participants clarify that photons do not require a medium to travel, as they can propagate through a vacuum, supported by Maxwell's equations. The electromagnetic field is identified as the medium for light, which exists everywhere in space, unlike traditional matter. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about photons needing matter to travel and the nature of vacuum fluctuations. Ultimately, the consensus is that light is an electromagnetic phenomenon that does not rely on a physical medium like sound waves do.
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Because definition of frequency is such that we can ascribe it to different phenomena. We don't need any deeper connection between them and I really don't understand why you treat frequency as if it were something special. As I said, it's one of many characteristics, not main one.
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
Than why can we describe Hz in different phenomenas, where is the connection between these phenomenas?

A object makes 20 complete revolution in a circular motion path in 20 seconds. We can describe that it as having a frequency of 1 Hz.

So, I used the same units here, i.e. Hz. Tell me what's "vibrating".

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
We can describe that it as having a frequency of 20 Hz.

1Hz o0)
 
  • #54
weirdoguy said:
1Hz o0)

Thanks. I think one thing, and my fingers do their own thing sometime.

Zz.
 
  • #55
ZapperZ said:
A object makes 20 complete revolution in a circular motion path in 20 seconds. We can describe that it as having a frequency of 1 Hz.

So, I used the same units here, i.e. Hz. Tell me what's "vibrating".

Zz.
Vibrating is something that operates as a wave. The simplest form of wave is a sine(?)
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
Vibrating is something that operates as a wave. The simplest form of wave is a sine(?)

You did not reply to my question, but instead, you went off on your own tangent.

I brought up something that can be described in terms of the unit "Hz". You claim that everything using that unit must be a vibration. I asked you to tell me what is "vibrating" in that example that I gave. Please answer that.

Zz.
 
  • #57
ZapperZ said:
You did not reply to my question, but instead, you went off on your own tangent.

I brought up something that can be described in terms of the unit "Hz". You claim that everything using that unit must be a vibration. I asked you to tell me what is "vibrating" in that example that I gave. Please answer that.

Zz.
Im sorry. Phenomenas operating as a wave affects everything around it. So the vibration in this particular example, comes also from it surroundings. Thereby might particles vibrate. For example phonons.
 
  • #58
itallcomestoenergy said:
Im sorry,

Im sorry. Phenomenas operating as a wave affects everything around it. So the vibration in this particular example, comes also from it surroundings. Thereby might particles vibrate. For example phonons.

Not only is this puzzling, but it is also nonsensical.

There are no phonons here.

So one last time before I stop playing this game, what is vibrating in my example?

Zz.
 
  • #59
ZapperZ said:
Not only is this puzzling, but it is also nonsensical.

There are no phonons here.

So one last time before I stop playing this game, what is vibrating in my example?

Zz.
It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer. Yet
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer.

It was an example, just as you had one example. I have no answer. Yet..

It was an example of what, your inability to comprehend the scenario?

Zz.
 
  • #61
ZapperZ said:
It was an example of what, your inability to comprehend the scenario?

Zz.

There was no question in your post
 
  • #62
itallcomestoenergy said:
Okey, so the medium is vacuum.

No. There is no medium.

What about sound waves? They operate in a lower frequency,

No. Sound waves are vibrations of a medium.
 
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Mister T said:
No. There is no medium.
No. Sound waves are vibrations of a medium.
Yes, and the medium is particles in the air, water or more solid matter.
 
  • #64
itallcomestoenergy said:
Vibrating is something that operates as a wave. The simplest form of wave is a sine(?)
Not all waves are vibrations and not all vibrations are waves. They are two different things that you are trying to mix up here.

At this point I am closing this thread. You seem to have some sort of weird “vibration” agenda. We are neither interested in helping you promote your agenda nor in the Sisyphean task of arguing about it. Please be aware that all posts must be consistent with the professional scientific literature.
 
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