Are Ritual Wars Inherently Less Violent Than Other Forms of Warfare?

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The discussion centers on the complex interplay between religion, ritual warfare, and the motivations behind conflict. It highlights that many historical cultures, such as the Mayans, Olmecs, and Aztecs, engaged in ritual wars, often intertwining religious motives with political and social ambitions. The violence of these ritual wars is questioned, with examples like the Aztecs showing that such conflicts could be extremely deadly, contradicting the notion that ritual warfare is inherently less violent.The conversation also explores the evolutionary psychology perspective on war, particularly the idea that access to women drives conflict. It suggests that wartime rape may stem from deep-seated in-group versus out-group dynamics, where enemy women are dehumanized. The discussion posits that this behavior could be influenced by adrenaline and a collective mindset during warfare, leading to increased violence. Overall, the dialogue reflects on the historical and psychological factors that contribute to the nature of war and violence.
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I have several questions.

1. Religion along with conflict over natural resources causes a lot of war from what I have learned about history. (Religion influences politics etc) Are there cultures that had ritual wars for religious reasons? I thought that some of the early Meso-american cultures like the Mayans, the Olmecs, and the Aztecs did this...and possibly some tribes in Africa...

2. Is ritual warfare less violent than war for other reasons? For some reason folk psychology makes me think so, but I could be mistaken.

3. Evolutionary psychologists postulate that one of the reasons for war is to gain access to women (not saying I completely buy that)...and rape is prevalent during warfare...is this because people's adrenaline is pumping just making them more prone to violence because all they see is violence around them? Or is there something deeper, like in-group and out-group dynamics? In other species foreign males will accost females in an attack whether it be dolphins or apes.
I am personally inclined to think that rape during wartime happens because males see the enemy's women as part of the out-group and raping them is more of a power thing...like the women are a subordinate and less than human because they are with the enemy. This is speculation on my part, and if I seem like I'm wrong on anything feel free to let me know.
 
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CosminaPrisma said:
I have several questions.

Good questions!

1. Religion along with conflict over natural resources causes a lot of war from what I have learned about history. (Religion influences politics etc) Are there cultures that had ritual wars for religious reasons? I thought that some of the early Meso-american cultures like the Mayans, the Olmecs, and the Aztecs did this...and possibly some tribes in Africa...

I believe it is difficult or impossible to disentangle ritual from other motives in Meso-American history, especially given the nature of our sources. Leaders' glory, for example seems to have been important. But leaders' glory had a ritual signifigance too...

2. Is ritual warfare less violent than war for other reasons? For some reason folk psychology makes me think so, but I could be mistaken.

Well, the Aztecs waged wars for ritual ends, to capture prisoners to use as sacrifices. And some of their sacrifices approached Hiroshima levels of killing!

3. Evolutionary psychologists postulate that one of the reasons for war is to gain access to women (not saying I completely buy that)...and rape is prevalent during warfare...is this because people's adrenaline is pumping just making them more prone to violence because all they see is violence around them? Or is there something deeper, like in-group and out-group dynamics? In other species foreign males will accost females in an attack whether it be dolphins or apes.

Perhaps rather than wartime rape needing a special explanation it's middle class marriage that does. Genghiz Khan's famous line about glory involving impregnating the foe's women may represent the level we start from, and alle anders ist menschenwerk.

I am personally inclined to think that rape during wartime happens because males see the enemy's women as part of the out-group and raping them is more of a power thing...like the women are a subordinate and less than human because they are with the enemy. This is speculation on my part, and if I seem like I'm wrong on anything feel free to let me know.

This would certainly be a factor. And heightened animal consciousness due to the battle experience could be another. Put that together with the tendency of people in crowds to imitate each other and you have pretty much explained it.
 
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