Are so-called non-local interactions really non-local?

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The discussion centers around the concept of non-locality in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of EPR-like experiments. Participants explore the implications of wave function propagation, causal connections between particles, and the nature of light signals in relation to non-local interactions.

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  • One participant questions the understanding of non-locality, suggesting that the wave function propagates at the speed of light and maintains a causal connection between particles in a quantum system.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that the wave function propagates at c, arguing that it is defined over configuration space rather than conventional spacetime.
  • There is a discussion about null vectors and spacelike intervals, with a participant noting that while events can be linked by null curves, this does not imply local interactions in the traditional sense.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the demonstration of backpropagation on null intervals, suggesting it may rely on Lorentz variant assumptions.
  • Another participant reinforces the idea that observers will only see light pulses propagate in one direction, indicating a limitation in the interpretation of lightlike vectors under Lorentz transformations.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of wave function propagation and its implications for non-locality. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationship between wave function propagation, causal connections, and the nature of light signals. The discussion involves complex interpretations of quantum mechanics and spacetime that are not fully resolved.

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There is something I do not quite understand with regards to the so-called non-locality problem in EPR like experiments.

The wave function propagates at c, so even when two particles, that are part of the same quantum system, move in opposite directions they are still connected. They both travel along a null interval and thus there is a causal connection between the initial state and the measurement.

The same with a single photon, it gets emitted at one place and absorbed at another place but the distance is exactly zero.

What am I missing?
 
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MeJennifer said:
The wave function propagates at c, so even when two particles, that are part of the same quantum system, move in opposite directions they are still connected.

I don't think one can in a reasonable way say that "the wavefunction propagates at c", given that it is not defined over normal euclidean (or minkowski) space, but over configuration space.


They both travel along a null interval and thus there is a causal connection between the initial state and the measurement.

If a is a null vector, and b is a null vector, then a - b doesn't need to be a null vector. In the case of EPR, it is a spacelike vector.

Now, of course, you can consider that there is a null-curve linking the events A and B ; however, EVERY two events can be linked by a null curve ! However, you will have to walk this null curve sometimes with a dt > 0, and sometimes with a dt < 0.

So, yes, if you allow for "backward propagation of light signals" then every event is local to every other event. But that's not the idea, in general, although certain people look upon it that way (although I'm not an expert, the transactional view on QM does something of the kind I think).
 
How do you demonstrate backpropagation on null intervals? :confused:
That seems to me a Lorentz variant assumption.
 
MeJennifer said:
How do you demonstrate backpropagation on null intervals? :confused:
That seems to me a Lorentz variant assumption.

Well, if Joe sends out a light pulse to Jack, I think that all observers can testify about the direction in which the lightpulse propagated. Nobody will see the lightpulse propagate from Jack to Joe.

This comes about because you cannot transform a lorentz vector (t,x,y,z) with t>0 into one with t<0 through a continuous lorentz transformation, EVEN when the vector is lightlike.
 

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