Are stages 2-3 and 1-4 adiabatic in the OTTO cycle?

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The discussion revolves around the OTTO cycle, specifically questioning whether stages (2-3) and (1-4) are adiabatic processes. Participants are examining the definitions and characteristics of adiabatic and isentropic processes in relation to the cycle's graph.

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  • The original poster seeks clarification on the nature of stages (2-3) and (1-4) in the OTTO cycle, questioning the definition of adiabatic processes. Some participants discuss the relationship between adiabatic and isentropic processes, noting distinctions and similarities.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions of adiabatic and isentropic processes, with some providing insights into the characteristics of the stages in question. There is an exploration of differing interpretations regarding the terminology used in thermodynamics.

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There is a mention of a graph that suggests stages (2-3) and (1-4) are adiabatic, but this is contrasted with claims that these stages are isochoric. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the definitions and implications of the terms used.

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hey guys, just wanted to know, in the graph of the OTTO cycle in the link

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/thermo/design-library/otto/Otto-Pv-diagram.gif

are stage (2-3) and (1-4) adiabatic or not, if so why are they

the reason i ask is that i have a graph showing that these stages are adiabatic, however, adiabatic processes are where no heat is exchanged QIN = 0
 
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Adiabatic and isentropic are one and the same thing. The adiabats on your diagram are 1-2 and 3-4. The other two, 2-3 and 1-4 are isochoric (constant volume).
 
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kuruman said:
Adiabatic and isentropic are one and the same thing.
Isentropic processes are always adiabatic. Adiabatic processes, however, are not always isentropic. A non-isentropic adiabatic process, such as free expansion of a gas, should not be referred to as adiabatic, in my view. However, I seem to have lost that battle.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Isentropic processes are always adiabatic. Adiabatic processes, however, are not always isentropic. A non-isentropic adiabatic process, such as free expansion of a gas, should not be referred to as adiabatic, in my view. However, I seem to have lost that battle.

AM
Thanks for pointing out the subtle difference. I should have confined myself to answering the original question instead of trying to generalize.
 

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