Are the Metrics \(d_1\), \(d_2\), and \(d_{\infty}\) Strongly Equivalent?

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The discussion revolves around the metrics \(d_1\), \(d_2\), and \(d_{\infty}\) in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) and their strong equivalence. Participants explore the properties of these metrics, including the unit balls defined by each metric and the relationships between them, focusing on theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants define the metrics as \(d_1(x,y)=|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|\), \(d_2(x,y)=\sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2}\), and \(d_{\infty}(x,y)=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\).
  • Participants express the need to draw the unit balls \(B_i(0,1)\) for each metric and discuss their shapes.
  • Some participants propose that \(d_{\infty}(x,y)\) is less than or equal to \(d_1(x,y)\) and \(d_2(x,y)\) and explore the implications of these inequalities for strong equivalence.
  • There is a suggestion that the strong equivalence of metrics is an equivalence relationship, implying that if \(d_1\) and \(d_2\) are related through \(d_{\infty}\), then they are strongly equivalent.
  • Participants discuss the graphical representation of the unit balls and express uncertainty about how to visualize the sets defined by the metrics.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of the metrics and the relationships between them, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of these relationships for strong equivalence, particularly concerning whether additional proof is needed for \(d_1\) and \(d_2\). The discussion remains unresolved on the graphical representation of the unit balls.

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Participants express uncertainty about the graphical representation of the unit balls and the implications of the inequalities for strong equivalence, indicating that further clarification may be needed.

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Hey! :o

Consider the following metrices in $\mathbb{R}^2$. For $x,y\in \mathbb{R}^2$ let \begin{align*}&d_1(x,y)=|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2| \\ &d_2(x,y)=\sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2} \\ &d_{\infty}(x,y)=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\end{align*}

Draw the unit ball $B_i(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_i(0,y)<1\}$ in each metric.

Show that the metrices $d_1, d_2, d_{\infty}$ are strongly equivalent. Could you give me a hint for the first part?

As for the second part:

Without loss of generality, we assume that $\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=|x_2-y_2|$.

\begin{align*}d_{\infty}(x,y)=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=|x_2-y_2|\leq |x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|=d_1(x,y)\end{align*}

\begin{align*}d_1(x,y)&=|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|\leq \max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}+\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\\ & =2\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{align*}

So we get \begin{equation*}d_{\infty}(x,y)\leq d_1(x,y)\leq 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{equation*} Does this mean that $d_{\infty}(x,y)$ and $d_1(x,y)$ are strongly equivalent? (Wondering)

\begin{align*}d_{\infty}(x,y)&=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\} =|x_2-y_2|=\sqrt{|x_2-y_2|^2}=\sqrt{(x_2-y_2)^2}\\ & \leq \sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2}=d_2(x,y)\end{align*}

\begin{align*}d_2(x,y)&=\sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2}\leq \sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2}+\sqrt{(x_2-y_2)^2}\\ & =|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2| \leq \max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}+\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\\ & =2\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\} = 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{align*}

So we get \begin{equation*}d_{\infty}(x,y)\leq d_2(x,y)\leq 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{equation*} Does this mean that $d_{\infty}(x,y)$ and $d_2(x,y)$ are strongly equivalent? (Wondering) Do we have to show that also for $d_1$ and $d_2$ ? Or does this follow from the above? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Consider the following metrices in $\mathbb{R}^2$. For $x,y\in \mathbb{R}^2$ let \begin{align*}&d_1(x,y)=|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2| \\ &d_2(x,y)=\sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2} \\ &d_{\infty}(x,y)=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\end{align*}

Draw the unit ball $B_i(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_i(0,y)<1\}$ in each metric.

Show that the metrices $d_1, d_2, d_{\infty}$ are strongly equivalent. Could you give me a hint for the first part?

We have for instance $d_1(0,y) = |0-y_1|+|0-y_2| = |y_1|+|y_2|$ don't we? (Wondering)

So $B_i(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_i(0,y)<1\} = \{y\in X\mid |y_1|+|y_2|<1\} = \{(x,y)\in \mathbb R^2\mid |x|+|y|<1\}$.

We can draw it like:
[DESMOS]advanced: {"version":7,"graph":{"squareAxes":false,"viewport":{"xmin":-1.2,"ymin":-1.2,"xmax":1.2,"ymax":1.2}},"expressions":{"list":[{"type":"expression","id":"graph1","color":"#2d70b3","latex":"\\left|x\\right|+\\left|y\\right|<1"}]}}[/DESMOS]
mathmari said:
As for the second part:

Without loss of generality, we assume that $\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=|x_2-y_2|$.

\begin{align*}d_{\infty}(x,y)=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=|x_2-y_2|\leq |x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|=d_1(x,y)\end{align*}

\begin{align*}d_1(x,y)&=|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|\leq \max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}+\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\\ & =2\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}=2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{align*}

So we get \begin{equation*}d_{\infty}(x,y)\leq d_1(x,y)\leq 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{equation*} Does this mean that $d_{\infty}(x,y)$ and $d_1(x,y)$ are strongly equivalent? (Wondering)

\begin{align*}d_{\infty}(x,y)&=\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\} =|x_2-y_2|=\sqrt{|x_2-y_2|^2}=\sqrt{(x_2-y_2)^2}\\ & \leq \sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2}=d_2(x,y)\end{align*}

\begin{align*}d_2(x,y)&=\sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+(x_2-y_2)^2}\leq \sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2}+\sqrt{(x_2-y_2)^2}\\ & =|x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2| \leq \max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}+\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\}\\ & =2\max \{|x_1-y_1|,|x_2-y_2|\} = 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{align*}

So we get \begin{equation*}d_{\infty}(x,y)\leq d_2(x,y)\leq 2d_{\infty}(x,y)\end{equation*} Does this mean that $d_{\infty}(x,y)$ and $d_2(x,y)$ are strongly equivalent?

Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
Do we have to show that also for $d_1$ and $d_2$ ? Or does this follow from the above?

Strong equivalence of metrics is an equivalence relationship, which implies indeed that $d_1$ and $d_2$ are strongly equivalent by the transitivity property. (Nod)

Alternatively we can show it using the inequalities you found above:
$$\frac 12 d_1(x,y) \le d_\infty(x,y) \le d_2(x,y) \le 2 d_\infty(x,y) \le 2 d_1(x,y)$$
So:
$$\frac 12 d_1(x,y) \le d_2(x,y) \le 2 d_1(x,y)$$
Therefore $d_1$ and $d_2$ are strongly equivalent. (Nerd)

We can also illustrate it graphically:
[DESMOS]advanced: {"version":7,"graph":{"squareAxes":false,"viewport":{"xmin":-1.6,"ymin":-1.6,"xmax":1.6,"ymax":1.6}},"expressions":{"list":[{"type":"expression","id":"graph1","color":"#2d70b3","latex":"\\left|x\\right|+\\left|y\\right|<1"},{"type":"expression","id":"2","color":"#c74440","latex":"\\sqrt{x^2+y^2}<1"},{"type":"expression","id":"3","color":"#2d70b3","latex":"\\left|x\\right|+\\left|y\\right|<\\sqrt{2}"}]}}[/DESMOS]
(Cool)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
We have for instance $d_1(0,y) = |0-y_1|+|0-y_2| = |y_1|+|y_2|$ don't we? (Wondering)

So $B_i(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_i(0,y)<1\} = \{y\in X\mid |y_1|+|y_2|<1\} = \{(x,y)\in \mathbb R^2\mid |x|+|y|<1\}$.

How do we draw the last one?

We have $d_{\infty}(0,y) = \max\{|0-y_1|, |0-y_2|\} = \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}$. So we get $B_{\infty}(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_{\infty}(0,y)<1\} = \{y\in X\mid \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}<1\} = \{(x,y)\in \mathbb R^2\mid \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}<1\}$.

But which is the graph of that? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
How do we draw the last one?

We have $d_{\infty}(0,y) = \max\{|0-y_1|, |0-y_2|\} = \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}$. So we get $B_{\infty}(0,1)=\{y\in X\mid d_{\infty}(0,y)<1\} = \{y\in X\mid \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}<1\} = \{(x,y)\in \mathbb R^2\mid \max\{|y_1|, |y_2|\}<1\}$.

But which is the graph of that?

[DESMOS]advanced: {"version":7,"graph":{"squareAxes":false,"viewport":{"xmin":-1.2,"ymin":-1.2,"xmax":1.2,"ymax":1.2}},"expressions":{"list":[{"type":"expression","id":"graph1","color":"#2d70b3","latex":"\\max\\left(\\left|x\\right|,\\left|y\\right|\\right)<1"}]}}[/DESMOS]
(Emo)
 
Ahh yes (Tmi)

Thank you so much! (Blush)
 

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