Are there closed curve solutions for these ODE constraints?

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Are there closed curve solutions for ##\mathbf{v}(t) \in \mathbb{R}^3## satisfying this constraint?
$$\mathbf{v}(t) \cdot \frac{d^2}{dt^2}\mathbf{v} = 0 $$
 
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I do not understand your question. All velocities of type v(t) = a⋅t + v0 are trivial solutions.
 
Unless v(t) is identically 0, so there is no motion at all, you equation just says that the acceleration is 0 so, as Svein says, the only solutions are straight line trajectories.
 
Thanks for your replies. To be clear I meant

$$\sum_{i=1}^3 v_i \frac{d^2 v_i}{d t^2} = 0 $$

In other words acceleration is orthogonal to position. So ##\mathbf{v}(t) \neq 0## does not obviously (to me) imply ##\frac{d^2}{dt^2}\mathbf{v}(t) = 0##. I may still be that the trivial solutions mentioned above are the only ones, but I'm not sure at the moment.
 
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In other words acceleration is orthogonal to position.
Ah. That is a different proposition. Of course, the trivial solutions are still solutions, but...

If an object rotates in a circle around a point, the acceleration is orthogonal to velocity, but I do not know offhand any solution to acceleration orthogonal to position. A logarithmic spiral springs to mind, but there acceleration is never quite orthogonal to position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmic_spiral ).
 
Yes non-trivial solutions exist.

Consider the case where \frac{d^2}{dt^2} v_x = v_z ,\frac{d^2}{dt^2}v_z = - v_x, and v_y=0.

Here \vec V \cdot \frac{d^2}{dt^2}\vec V =0.

You can solve for v_x and v_z. This amounts to solving the 4-th order ODE \frac{d^4}{dt^4} v_x + v_x =0. Real solutions to this equation exist. The resulting expression for v_z is also real.
 
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