Are there purely diode, vacuum tubes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for a specific type of vacuum tube that functions similarly to a diode, specifically one that has a plate completely surrounding the cathode without any grids. Participants explore various tube types, their configurations, and the implications of such designs on functionality.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a vacuum tube with a plate surrounding the cathode and no grids, seeking specific part numbers or links.
  • Another suggests using diodes like the 6AL5 or triodes with the grid connected to the anode, mentioning models like the 6C4 or 6J5.
  • The 1B3GT Half-Wave Rectifier is mentioned as a potential option.
  • Concerns are raised about the requirement for a plate surrounding the cathode, with one participant questioning the necessity of this design.
  • Another participant discusses how anode voltages can accelerate emitted electrons, questioning the influence of electric fields when the plate surrounds the cathode.
  • Technical details about the pin layout and connections of the 1B3GT tube are explored, including the role of the cylindrical plate structure and its connection to the cathode.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of having a negative anode and its effect on electron flow.
  • Another participant notes that if the plate is negative, electrons from the cathode would be repelled, preventing the tube from functioning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of having a plate that surrounds the cathode. There is no consensus on the best approach or the specific requirements for the vacuum tube in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the RCA Tube Manual for further information, indicating that understanding vacuum tube diodes may require significant study. There are unresolved questions regarding the influence of electric fields and the design of vacuum tubes.

  • #31
You can test your idea with any triode.
Heat the cathode as usual. All things are relative, so tie the cathode to a negative DC bias voltage, say -9V. Ground the grid and use ground as the reference voltage. Now the space charge will be accelerated through the grid and some will accumulate on the electrically floating cylindrical plate electrode.

The plate will take up a negative voltage determined by the accumulation of electrons. Once the voltage on the plate falls to that of the cathode, electrons passing through the grid will turn around before reaching the plate, then fall back through the grid towards the cathode, until they end up on the grid.

In theory the voltage on the floating plate will be limited to somewhere between the cathode and the grid voltage. The effect feeds back on itself to self regulate the negative voltage excursion possible on the plate. It is therefore not really possible to generate a voltage outside the bounds of the DC supply available.
 
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  • #32
The OP may not be aware that the Van de Graaff belt forces the charges mechanically into the sphere, against electrostatic repulsion. The motor does a lot of work getting the charges up there and in (I have burned out a few Van de Graaff motors). Not sure how you would do this in a sealed electron tube.
 

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