Are You Working Out? What's Your Favorite Type of Exercise?

[Cyrus]

i've already said it, muscular fitness is an integral part of overall fitness.

Did I say otherwise?

and my point was that there are many more effective forms of exercise that makes you burn fat

Like I said, give me a break on this one. I said it was hyperbole, you should know better than that.

bodybuilders have heart attacks because they have extreme diets pre-competition and take steroids. additionally no one was talking about bodybuilding, and i'll quote you again "But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting." weightlifting != bodybuilding.

I am talking about bodybuilding, which is something more in line with what moe would be into if he wanted to gain mass.

i think i know biology and strength training better than you

I don't think you do if you're going to tell me a thin body type can easily gain as much mass as Beeza.

 

[FrogPad]

Clearly, you have read a lot of books on weightlifting. I am just curious how well your weighlifting has gone for you. I.e., I want to see if your 'all talk'.


1.- In what way is being thin, as opposed to heavier (i.e. more stress on your heart and body fat), a bad thing?

2.- the point was that you lose weight really fast, its called hyperbole. Not eating would be the fastest way to lose weight (and then die). Gimme a break on this one.

3. Ummm, no. Many bodybuilders end up having heart attacks because of all that mass they have to pump blood to. Yes, cycling is better for your heart. Bodybuilding is not a cardio workout.

4. I think I know my own body better than you do.

Not like I'm in any place to moderate... but you guys are just arguing for the hell of it. Cyrus made statements in a loose fashion that are somewhat open for interpretation. ice109 has points based on the the way things were expressed. But c'mon... this was a nice thread. You both had some interesting things to say.

Cyrus. In a a nutshell, what was your routine? I was on a heavy (relative term) squat routine for awhile, and then I hurt myself deadlifting. But, I'm itching to get back to it. Specifically, what did you do for your shoulders. Good peaks on um'

 

[ice109]

im done, i was arguing because i hate people who pervert language to prove themselves right. cyrus you said one thing, either stick to it or if you meant something else say so. but saying

"With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen"

and changing it to

"I don't think you do if you're going to tell me a thin body type can easily gain as much mass as Beeza."

to be right just for the sake of being right is infuriating.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, then don't come in here and start busting my balls over trivial crap ice. Jessssusss man.

Excuse me, I was not being 100% precise with my words. I thought we were grown up enough to realize that when I posted.

Besides, I am right and you know it!

 

[Cyrus]

Not like I'm in any place to moderate... but you guys are just arguing for the hell of it. Cyrus made statements in a loose fashion that are somewhat open for interpretation. ice109 has points based on the the way things were expressed. But c'mon... this was a nice thread. You both had some interesting things to say.

Cyrus. In a a nutshell, what was your routine? I was on a heavy (relative term) squat routine for awhile, and then I hurt myself deadlifting. But, I'm itching to get back to it. Specifically, what did you do for your shoulders. Good peaks on um'

My friend and I would do one body part a day. So it was something like:

M: Chest
T: Back
W: Shoulders
T: Arms
F: Legs
S: Abbs and forearms

I don't really do deadlifts or squats. It bothers my lower back and I don't want to do power lifting. I would just stick to inclined leg press. Man, the leg press would burn like hell though.

Ah man shoulders....sigh. I had really strong shoulders and bicpets. But I (stupidly) should have gone lighter on the shoulders because they started to hurt after a while. I would do shoulder press with like 70lb dumbells (3 sets of 8-10), which was good considering my thin frame. I don't think I could do half of that right now.

The best person to give you advice on shoulders would be Beeza though. Id always ask the biggest guy at the gym for advice, and compare it to what most other big guys would tell me. Its a great way to get advice from their own experience.

 

[ice109]

Well, then don't come in here and start busting my balls over trivial crap ice. Jessssusss man.

Excuse me, I was not being 100% precise with my words. I thought we were grown up enough to realize that when I posted.

Besides, I am right and you know it!

that's why you're an engineering major and I'm a physics major. close enough is unsatisfactory for me

 

[chroot]

Well, I am in a position to moderate, and I'm telling you, ice109, to knock it off. You're just quoting people and responding with "WRONG!"

If you can actually make a substantive argument against Cyrus, preferably with references, personal experience, or even anecdotes, then cool -- do it.

The truth is that road cycling really is one of the most energy-intensive forms of exercise you can do. I know my cardiovascular system, know my zones, and I can literally burn 800 calories an hour on a road bike over extended periods of time. On an average century ride, I'll burn nearly 5k calories in about seven hours. There are few exercises which burn so many calories and can be done for such long periods of time.

If you know of other exercises which burn more calories per hour and can be done for more hours consecutively, then please inform me.

- Warren

 

[ice109]

first of all the burden of proof is not on me but that's just philosophical wax ;)

second of all for purposes of losing fat this is the most efficient way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_training

third of all how did you figure out that you burn 800cal an hour chroot?
http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm we have that chart which contains several activities that burn more calories. also are you pedaling over 20mph for 7 hours? i don't understand what you mean by can be done for more hours consecutively? if you're burning 5k kcal/7 hour that's a power output of 830 watts, why do you think you couldn't produce that much power doing something else?

 

[chroot]

Nice links, ice! That's how you carry out a debate. Good show.

I use a heart-rate monitor, and have had my VO2 calibrated in a lab a few years ago. I know pretty accurately how my heart rate is correlated to my energy expenditure.

And no, I'm not pedaling over 20 mph. Your own link puts ~800 kcal/hr in the "Bicycling, 14-15.9mph, vigorous effort" category, which is just about right. If I complete a 100-mile bike ride in seven hours, my average is around 14 mph.

You can certainly do other kinds of exercise which consume more calories per hour, but it's very doubtful (to me) that you could actually continue to do them for seven straight hours.

Boxing for seven hours? Handball for seven hours? I don't know about those.

However, I can certainly imagine exercises like rowing being done for extended periods of time, so you're right -- cycling is not the only such exercise. Cycling is definitely more accessible to the average person than rowing, though.

- Warren

 

[moe darklight]

I miss my bike . my friends lost it in high school when we were drunk in a forest (probably my favorite story from high school, but it's really long). now with school and having to buy a new computer I haven't been able to buy a new one .

I have knee problems, nothing serious, but running still KILLS my knees, so running's not a possibility for me.

a good one I love is kayaking, it can be pretty intense and draining, and works pretty much all of your upper body and abs nicely, AND you always keep cool from the water splashing so you don't feel all sweaty. but it's not very accessible so I've only done it 3 times.

 

[russ_watters]

Cycling is just one example of a low-impact aerobic activity. Rowing, eliptical machine, etc. - same diff, really.

Ice, the other wik link on interval training is more descriptive and says:

It is believed by many in the fitness industry that this method of training is more effective at inducing fat loss than simply training at a moderate intensity level for the same duration. This has been confirmed in at least two studies.[1] [2] It has been said that in some instances—like long-distance running—moderate-intensity exercise for long durations may actually preferentially burn muscle tissue as opposed to adipose. At present, however, there is no conclusive research to support any of these claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_training

That fits with other things I've read about interval training, namely that if you are out of shape and can't sustain a high exertion level for very long, interval training will get you into shape faster than a low exertion for the same (or even somewhat longer) time. But if you are in decent shape and want to get in better shape (ie, a 15 mile per week runner and want to train for a marathon), there is no substitute for extremely long duration cardio.

 

[ice109]

interval training is much harder than SST(steady state training). it is essentially weight lifting without the weights. the sprinting is the same anaerobic exercise that you're doing when you're lifting weights. the same microtears happen and the whole 9 yards. the reason why it boosts metabolism for the rest of the day is because you're burning calories repairing muscle. anecdotal evidence is how muscular sprinters are. additionally many a time have i heard that prolonged SST burns muscle which is why marathoners are so skinny.

 

[JasonRox]

If you know of other exercises which burn more calories per hour and can be done for more hours consecutively, then please inform me.

- Warren

There are lots of them that can burn calories faster than road biking, but to do it for hours is a whole other story. Road biking isn't anywhere near the most effective though.

 

[JasonRox]

I think I know my own body better than you do.

Knowing your body is the most important thing. I would estimate one in ten know their body at the gym.

 

[moe darklight]

Knowing your body is the most important thing. I would estimate one in ten know their body at the gym.

that number increases exponentially as they reach puberty

ok cheap joke. but I had to.

 

[Cyrus]

Hey ice,

What do you have on weight gain for fast metabolisms?

 

[ice109]

Hey ice,

What do you have on weight gain for fast metabolisms?

don't lift 6 days a week, do the bill starr 5x5 program, eat lots of complex carbs, poly-un and mono-unstaruated fats ( peanut butter is your friend, i go through that **** like it was candy ), eat a 500cal surplus everyday, have casein protein before you go to bed ( cottage cheese, also go through that stuff like candy ) and you know the usual 1-1.5g protein per kg body weight. the key is knowing your basil metabolic rate. there's calculators abound.

 

[Cyrus]

How long you been working out ice? Post a picture dammit.

 

[ice109]

How long you been working out ice? Post a picture dammit.

~ 5 years total ~2 years serious, I've had many set backs, I'm not as impressive as i should be

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4383/img0350wo0.jpg

that was after my first concerted cutting session, i don't think it went well, i quit doing extra cardio about halfway through. this was either last thanksgiving or last christmas i don't remember. i was ~165 and I'm ~5' 10". I'm about 10lbs heavier now, maybe half of that is more muscle. this fall i'll going to a gym for the first time in about a year, i a full olympic weight set and squat rack at home.

wtf picture no work, one sec

 

[Cyrus]

Im def. going to start lifting again come december. In the mean time I am going to do some looking into on diets for weight gain. For me that's the hardest part. Going to the gym was no problem, eating constantly is hard. You get sick of eating after about three days of stuffing your face.

 

[ice109]

Im def. going to start lifting again come december. In the mean time I am going to do some looking into on diets for weight gain. For me that's the hardest part. Going to the gym was no problem, eating constantly is hard. You get sick of eating after about three days of stuffing your face.

dude when i was bulking i was eating 2 double cheeseburgers every night as a midnight snack and a frosty sometimes too

 

[Cyrus]

Thats a GREAT source of good protien LOL! At least tuna has almost no cholesterol.

 

[ice109]

Thats a GREAT source of good protien LOL! At least tuna has almost no cholesterol.

tuna has mercury in it, and cholestral isn't a big deal if you're otherwise healthy.

 

[Cyrus]

I was talking to my friend on the phone and I've decided to start working out lightly again. My goal is to find a good diet by the end of this summer. I know school is going to ruin everything for me, so instead of working out hard, I am going to try and eat hard. Hopefully I can find the right diet and eat eat eat and continue eating (w/o working out) when school starts up. Eating is a bigger issue than going to the gym. I can go to the gym 5 days a week without needing encouragement.

Give me more info on diets ice. I am going to go back to the old http://www.bodybuilding.com/ and read some of their articles tomorrow.

You and your damn thread getting me motivated to lift again.

 

[ice109]

I was talking to my friend on the phone and I've decided to start working out lightly again. My goal is to find a good diet by the end of this summer. I know school is going to ruin everything for me, so instead of working out hard, I am going to try and eat hard. Hopefully I can find the right diet and eat eat eat and continue eating (w/o working out) when school starts up. Eating is a bigger issue than going to the gym. I can go to the gym 5 days a week without needing encouragement.

Give me more info on diets ice. I am going to go back to the old http://www.bodybuilding.com/ and read some of their articles tomorrow.

You and your damn thread getting me motivated to lift again.

bodybuilding.com sucks. go to t-nation.com, it's the physicsforums of strength training. school doesn't have to ruin anything. just plan ahead. http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/DietaryGuidelines.html good for diet info. you also don't need to go to the gym 5 days a week. http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm in the middle there's a 3 day split

 

[Cyrus]

Why does bodybuilding.com suck?

 

[ice109]

Why does bodybuilding.com suck?

cause you said it yourself, bodybuilders are notoriously unhealthy. they're more concerned with aesthetics than substance. bodybuilding routines are designed specifically size, 5 days splits like you were doing, not strength.

 

[JasonRox]

I agree. Bobybuilding.com is hurting.

 

[Cyrus]

What site do you use Jason?

 

[JasonRox]

I just do searches on Google and try to find 3-5 sites that agree and that are respectful.

There are good things about bodybuilding.com, but there are so many bad parts that a lot of things I can't take seriously. I still visit the site from time to time, but only like the Misc. section and such because it makes me laugh.

When I wanted real information on the site, I normally went to the PowerLifting forum. They probably have the best advice available on the site.