Are You Working Out? What's Your Favorite Type of Exercise?

[JasonRox]

I think it's a lot.

 

[chroot]

I think it's a lot.

Actually, it's kinda funny. I get really irritable and cabin-feverish when I don't ride at least every couple of days. I'm sure it's psychological, but I feel like crap.

- Warren

 

[moe darklight]

by the way, does muscle growth occur only (or mostly) during sleep?

I always read on websites about strength training about the importance of sleeping ... would there be a big difference in the growth of muscle for a person who sleeps 6 hours a day as opposed to one who sleeps 8 or 9?

 

[Cyrus]

Moe, for you, you have to eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, vomit, eat the vomit, eat, eat, eat, vomit again, eat that too, eat, eat, take a dump, and eat to make up for that lost dump.

Conservation of energy, its as simple as that. My friend takes protein shakes to help build mass...ok, let's think about that for a second, shall we? Mass in - mass out = mass gain. So, do you really think having a drink with two scoops of powder is going to make you magically gain 5 lbs in a month?

If so, you must be eating sludge, because if and only if you eat 5 lbs of the powder will you gain 5 lbs of mass (ignoring all else). You just can't gain 'extra' mass because your drinking muscle milk.

For you to gain weight, you would literally have to eat a small snack or meal every hour. I have a fast metabolism like you do, so I can melt away the weight just sitting here typing this. I also road cycle, which burns calories like no ones business. So either I can road bike (which is advantageous for me because I am thin and have long legs), or I have to not road bike and eat eat eat and go to the gym. Cant do both, it won't work.

Id eat things like bananas, oat meal, eggs, bread, pasta, tuna <-(that an easy way to eat lots of protein. Just open the can and eat it {while trying not to barf, the **** gets disgusting after 3 days in a row}), nutragrain bars, yogurt.

Trust me, after day 3 or 4, you get sickkkkkkkkk of eating non stop.

But, unlike Jason, we never have to worry about getting a beer gut. So, I just relax and have a beer and play poker with my friends, and ride my bike on the weekends when I feel like exercising. My BP is 110/70, so I am just fine.

 

[mattmns]

I recently started working out again (about two months ago). I have been doing weight stuff 2-3 times a week, and cardio stuff 3-4 times a week. Like most of you, I wonder about keeping it up during school, but I don't think 3-4 hours a week is too bad (we'll see what I say when the semester starts).

 

[ice109]

by the way, does muscle growth occur only (or mostly) during sleep?

I always read on websites about strength training about the importance of sleeping ... would there be a big difference in the growth of muscle for a person who sleeps 6 hours a day as opposed to one who sleeps 8 or 9?

i doubt the veracity of that honestly. it definitely happens always but the question is whether it happens more efficiently at night. initially i was think that maybe because you're not burning many calories doing other stuff they can go to muscle repair where as during the day you're doing stuff so only the excess goes to muscle repair. but at night you only have the nutrients from your last meal available and those get burned through quickly. it probably averages out to being equal. i don't get an enormous amount of sleep and I've been getting stronger for the past 2 months but I'm just one case.

 

[FrogPad]

i doubt the veracity of that honestly. it definitely happens always but the question is whether it happens more efficiently at night. initially i was think that maybe because you're not burning many calories doing other stuff they can go to muscle repair where as during the day you're doing stuff so only the excess goes to muscle repair. but at night you only have the nutrients from your last meal available and those get burned through quickly. it probably averages out to being equal. i don't get an enormous amount of sleep and I've been getting stronger for the past 2 months but I'm just one case.

Top weightlifters sleep A LOT. They basically, EAT, lift, EAT, lift, EAT, SLEEP, EAT (that means wakeup and eat), SLEEP, .. repeat. If you want a source, check out Arnold's book.

 

[moe darklight]

Moe, for you, you have to eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, vomit, eat the vomit, eat, eat, eat, vomit again, eat that too, eat, eat, take a dump, and eat to make up for that lost dump.

wow, that's a pretty strict regimen. does it have to be in that exact order? could I eat, eat, vomit, eat, take a dump, eat the vomit?

yea we seem to be the same body type. so maybe what I need is to have a higher intake of protein, I don't really get a lot of it in my diet, I mostly eat fruits and vegetables. and meat only once a day. I'll start eating more meat and see if it works

 

[moe darklight]

Top weightlifters sleep A LOT. They basically, EAT, lift, EAT, lift, EAT, SLEEP, EAT (that means wakeup and eat), SLEEP, .. repeat. If you want a source, check out Arnold's book.

yea that's why I ask. I want to know if this is because muscle growth actually increases substantially during sleep, or if it's just an urban legend (maybe arnold would be just as big if he slept 7 hours a day, and just doesn't know it ).

I'm not looking to get huge, I just want to get to the point where I can no longer use a cheerio as an armband.

 

[ice109]

Top weightlifters sleep A LOT. They basically, EAT, lift, EAT, lift, EAT, SLEEP, EAT (that means wakeup and eat), SLEEP, .. repeat. If you want a source, check out Arnold's book.

that's because they're reluctant to burn calories, not because something magical happens at night.

 

[Cyrus]

wow, that's a pretty strict regimen. does it have to be in that exact order? could I eat, eat, vomit, eat, take a dump, eat the vomit?

yea we seem to be the same body type. so maybe what I need is to have a higher intake of protein, I don't really get a lot of it in my diet, I mostly eat fruits and vegetables. and meat only once a day. I'll start eating more meat and see if it works

You can if you want, but you're not going to get huge. Its just not your body type. Thats what most people don't realize. Everyone has a certain body type. A shorter person (Mesomorph) is going to be naturally big, you will always be tall and thin. But the tradeoff is that you can do running or cycling and crush him because his body isn't built for that.

To be honest, your diet sounds good as it is. Unless your a pro athelete, there's no reason to get THAT bulky. Just be a good modest weight for your body type.

I used to be really fit, but then I stopped thanks to school. My friend keeps telling me I lost it all and should workout again, but I keep telling him why? I don't want to be in the gym 5 days a week for an hour/hour+15min lifting weights. I am perfectly healthy and I don't need to go to a gym. Ill probably go back after school, but that's only because I will have the time and energy to give it 100% again. Half-assing it at the gym sucks. It just makes you more tired and your body weaker. It really sucks.

 

[FrogPad]

that's because they're reluctant to burn calories, not because something magical happens at night.

Not a bad argument.

I can't honestly say either way. I just know that Arnold recommends a lot of sleep; I don't know the science behind it. I also know that there are a few things in his book that are not correct, at least in the modern sense. For example, he recommends eating three meals a day. Most people (as in I don't have source, but I will blindly say this) recommend eating at 5 or so smaller meals per day.

moe darklight: If you want to put on muscle, and you are just starting out. Check out http://www.startingstrength.com/. You can find the Rippetoe routine online for free, but I have heard from many people that HIS book is really worth the money. I wish I would have purchased it over Arnold's.

 

[FrogPad]

You can if you want, but you're not going to get huge. Its just not your body type. Thats what most people don't realize. Everyone has a certain body type. A shorter person (Mesomorph) is going to be naturally big, you will always be tall and thin. But the tradeoff is that you can do running or cycling and crush him because his body isn't built for that.

To be honest, your diet sounds good as it is. Unless your a pro athelete, there's no reason to get THAT bulky. Just be a good modest weight for your body type.

I used to be really fit, but then I stopped thanks to school. My friend keeps telling me I lost it all and should workout again, but I keep telling him why? I don't want to be in the gym 5 days a week for an hour/hour+15min lifting weights. I am perfectly healthy and I don't need to go to a gym. Ill probably go back after school, but that's only because I will have the time and energy to give it 100% again. Half-assing it at the gym sucks. It just makes you more tired and your body weaker. It really sucks.

I hate when people say they DON'T WANT TO GET HUGE!11..

It takes TIME and SERIOUS dedication to get large. It doesn't happen overnight.

 

[Cyrus]

You forget that I know a lotttt of juice heads at the gym. Yes, I've seen big guys get HUGE in the blink of an eye.

 

[moe darklight]

You can if you want, but you're not going to get huge. Its just not your body type. Thats what most people don't realize.

Yea maybe I'll live with what I got. after all, I don't want to have my life revolve around the gym. my only problem is the arms really. I am happy with my chest and abs...

why?

I'm 19: girls why else?
I'm not a shallow person or very obsessed with looking good. But they have reacted differently to my somewhat-more-toned-ness, and I can't help but wonder what actual muscle would do.

speaking of sleep. I have to wake up in 5 and half hours that can't be good. I'll add some eat-vomit-eat reps to my work out tomorrow to make up for the lost sleep.

 

[FrogPad]

You forget that I know a lotttt of juice heads at the gym. Yes, I've seen big guys get HUGE in the blink of an eye.

Give someone good genes, a month, and juice... and yeah, that changes things.

 

[Cyrus]

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1505/untitled66bj3.png

I was almost exactly where you are when I started working out. About a year and a half later I got into somewhat good shape.

But Junior/Senior year took care of all prospects of getting bigger. My goal was to put on another 10-15 lbs on top of the picture above.

Guess what though, all that hard work melts away the moment you stop going to the gym thanks to our metabolism.

Future Arnold? ...NOTTTTTTT.

I loved doing back, back was the fun day..still needed a LOT more work though.

Moe, if you want to get girls, don't workout your body. Workout your personality. I see guys at bars/clubs that are *buff* being ignored by girls.

31" Waist.

 

[Beeza]

Moe, for you, you have to eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, vomit, eat the vomit, eat, eat, eat, vomit again, eat that too, eat, eat, take a dump, and eat to make up for that lost dump.

Conservation of energy, its as simple as that. My friend takes protein shakes to help build mass...ok, let's think about that for a second, shall we? Mass in - mass out = mass gain. So, do you really think having a drink with two scoops of powder is going to make you magically gain 5 lbs in a month?

If so, you must be eating sludge, because if and only if you eat 5 lbs of the powder will you gain 5 lbs of mass (ignoring all else). You just can't gain 'extra' mass because your drinking muscle milk.

For you to gain weight, you would literally have to eat a small snack or meal every hour. I have a fast metabolism like you do, so I can melt away the weight just sitting here typing this. I also road cycle, which burns calories like no ones business. So either I can road bike (which is advantageous for me because I am thin and have long legs), or I have to not road bike and eat eat eat and go to the gym. Cant do both, it won't work.

Id eat things like bananas, oat meal, eggs, bread, pasta, tuna <-(that an easy way to eat lots of protein. Just open the can and eat it {while trying not to barf, the **** gets disgusting after 3 days in a row}), nutragrain bars, yogurt.

Trust me, after day 3 or 4, you get sickkkkkkkkk of eating non stop.

But, unlike Jason, we never have to worry about getting a beer gut. So, I just relax and have a beer and play poker with my friends, and ride my bike on the weekends when I feel like exercising. My BP is 110/70, so I am just fine.

The purpose of protein shakes is more so the protein for building muscle rather than weight gain. Granted that getting the protein can be easily done by eating high-protein foods, but the powder is more so for a quick and easy solution for someone right after the gym while driving home etc.

 

[Beeza]

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1505/untitled66bj3.png

I was almost exactly where you are when I started working out. About a year and a half later I got into somewhat good shape.

But Junior/Senior year took care of all prospects of getting bigger. My goal was to put on another 10-15 lbs on top of the picture above.

Guess what though, all that hard work melts away the moment you stop going to the gym thanks to our metabolism.

Future Arnold?

I loved doing back, back was the fun day..still needed a LOT more work though.

Moe, if you want to get girls, don't workout your body. Workout your personality. I see guys at bars/clubs that are *buff* being ignored by girls.

31" Waist.

If you raise your elbows until the bottoms of your arms are roughly parallel to the floor while leaning back slightly, your back will appear even wider.

 

[Astronuc]

It is possible to have great strength without bulking up.

Pole vaulter Bob Seagren had a higher than normal strength to weight ratio, as do most pole vaulters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Seagren

Bulking up reduces flexibility, and IMO it is better to have great strength, flexibility, efficiency and endurance.

 

[FrogPad]

The thing I miss so much about NOT lifting (injury, and no time at the moment) is I could eat ANYTHING. Seriously, I was a tank. Now I run as much as possible, but the muscle is shedding away, and some fat is starting to appear :(

Muscles need calories. So, if you are the type of person who doesn't enjoy dieting, lifting can be a great way to reduce it. You still need to eat smart, but you don't have to count.

 

[radou]

Moe, if you want to get girls, don't workout your body. Workout your personality.

..or both.

Btw cyrus, without your shirt, you still look like you have one.

Same thing here. Tennis.

 

[moe darklight]

if you want to get girls, don't workout your body. Workout your personality.

..or both.

yea . I think girls care more about looks than they like to admit. since I've been somewhat more fit, I have noticed a difference in the way a girl reacts when I'm with her, and I doubt my personality has changed drastically in the past few months. — though I guess it could be more related with the increased confidence that comes along with working out.

 

[FrogPad]

though I guess it could be more related with the increased confidence that comes along with working out.

boom.

I knew this guy who did standup comedy. He was kinda fit, but nothing like a six-pack-dude. However he would act really really(even if he wasn't) confident. He could seriously get any girl he wanted.

Why not lift? Why not be fit? Why not be able to feel good, and look good in clothing? There are a lot of benefits to it. It is time consuming, but it's a good thing to consume time.

 

[Cyrus]

boom.

I knew this guy who did standup comedy. He was kinda fit, but nothing like a six-pack-dude. However he would act really really(even if he wasn't) confident. He could seriously get any girl he wanted.

Why not lift? Why not be fit? Why not be able to feel good, and look good in clothing? There are a lot of benefits to it. It is time consuming, but it's a good thing to consume time.

I agree. I am just saying, if school is going to eat up your time, a lot of your hard work will go right out the window. (It did for me and my friend every time school started up). We had to work out and eat like crazy during the summer and winter breaks to make up for time we lost at the gym from school.

Moe, trust me. You're naturally thin. If you stop going or cut back when school starts, the weight you gain will melt away. So just keep that in mind and do be surprised when it happens. I would also recommend doing shoulder and back exercises because it will make you wider, which is what you want since your tall.

Got any pics Beeza? I am sure your a tank.

 

[Beeza]

I agree. I am just saying, if school is going to eat up your time, a lot of your hard work will go right out the window. (It did for me and my friend every time school started up). We had to work out and eat like crazy during the summer and winter breaks to make up for time we lost at the gym from school.

Moe, trust me. You're naturally thin. If you stop going or cut back when school starts, the weight you gain will melt away. So just keep that in mind and do be surprised when it happens. I would also recommend doing shoulder and back exercises because it will make you wider, which is what you want since your tall.

Got any pics Beeza? I am sure your a tank.

Last time I put up pictures, Moonbear hit on me

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=122559&highlight=Beeza&page=3

 

[Cyrus]

Awesome. What is your height?

Also, what do you eat to gain weight? Seems like you naturally put weight on easily.

EDIT:

I just saw in that link you said you were 20 at the time. You have good genetics for bodybuilding, you lucky bastard!

 

[Beeza]

5'9ish.

I put on weight too easily. I envy the smaller framed guys like yourself whom can eat as many calories as they wish and still remain thin.

I have to carefully watch calories if I want to stay under 210lbs. Although when I was up near 240lbs I was eating about 10 - 15 lbs combined of chicken and steak per week in addition to pig-outs like entire boxes of cheerios or 3/4 loaves of bread for breakfast...

My body however did not appreciate my eating habits so much ;) Neither did my girlfriend considering our grocery bill!

 

[Cyrus]

In the long run, being able to stay thin is much better for your health, so it is a good thing. I am going to start working out again seriously when I finish my undergrad, so probably around december. But I already know that next semester is going to be a disaster of projects, so I am not even going to think about going to the gym and wasting time in there.

But after my last semester, Ill probably start trying to put on some weight. I think I should put on probably 30lbs. That would be a good amount of weight to gain in the next 2,3 years.

But for now, I am going to enjoy riding my bike, (which will keep me really thin), and drinking beer. I think the fastest way to lose weight is to ride a road bike. You burn so many calories because biking is so addictive. Once you get into it, you can find yourself riding almost 20 miles a day for 5 days a week. Try gaining (or keeping weight on) like that! Its hard not to lose weight. But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting.

With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen

 

[ice109]

In the long run, being able to stay thin is much better for your health, so it is a good thing. I am going to start working out again seriously when I finish my undergrad, so probably around december. But I already know that next semester is going to be a disaster of projects, so I am not even going to think about going to the gym and wasting time in there.

But after my last semester, Ill probably start trying to put on some weight. I think I should put on probably 30lbs. That would be a good amount of weight to gain in the next 2,3 years.

But for now, I am going to enjoy riding my bike, (which will keep me really thin), and drinking beer. I think the fastest way to lose weight is to ride a road bike. You burn so many calories because biking is so addictive. Once you get into it, you can find yourself riding almost 20 miles a day for 5 days a week. Try gaining (or keeping weight on) like that! Its hard not to lose weight. But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting.

With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen

all the bold statements are fallacious. w/e your personal choices it's cool but don't pretend that you're making them because they're objectively the right ones.

 

[moe darklight]

how is staying at one's optimum weight and exercising your cardiovascular system being healthy a fallacious statement?

 

[ice109]

how is staying at one's optimum weight and excessing your cardiovascular system being healthy a fallacious statement?

excessing your cardiovascular system? biking is good cardio but not the best, i can think of several forms that are better. optimum weight? what is optimum weight? what the bmi scale dictates? muscular fitness is just as important as cardiovascular fitness.

 

[Beeza]

In the long run, being able to stay thin is much better for your health, so it is a good thing. I am going to start working out again seriously when I finish my undergrad, so probably around december. But I already know that next semester is going to be a disaster of projects, so I am not even going to think about going to the gym and wasting time in there.

But after my last semester, Ill probably start trying to put on some weight. I think I should put on probably 30lbs. That would be a good amount of weight to gain in the next 2,3 years.

But for now, I am going to enjoy riding my bike, (which will keep me really thin), and drinking beer. I think the fastest way to lose weight is to ride a road bike. You burn so many calories because biking is so addictive. Once you get into it, you can find yourself riding almost 20 miles a day for 5 days a week. Try gaining (or keeping weight on) like that! Its hard not to lose weight. But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting.

With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen

30 lbs of quality weight gain in the next 2 years would be a good goal. The more experienced you become with training, the harder it will be to put on an appreciable amount of quality weight.

 

[Cyrus]

all the bold statements are fallacious. w/e your personal choices it's cool but don't pretend that you're making them because they're objectively the right ones.

Not really. For the most part, what I've said is true.

 

[Cyrus]

30 lbs of quality weight gain in the next 2 years would be a good goal. The more experienced you become with training, the harder it will be to put on an appreciable amount of quality weight.

Yeah, I was working out for about 2 years before I had to stop due to school. So I was putting in serious time. You definitely hit that peak.

If you workout, post a pic Ice.

 

[moe darklight]

excessing your cardiovascular system? biking is good cardio but not the best, i can think of several forms that are better. optimum weight? what is optimum weight? what the bmi scale dictates? muscular fitness is just as important as cardiovascular fitness.

exercising the cardiovascular system I meant. of course it's healthy to exercise the muscles, nobody is saying it's not— but getting huge without working on your cardiovascular system is unhealthy too. and biking IS a better workout for your heart than lifting weights.

 

[ice109]

Not really. For the most part, what I've said is true.

saying so doesn't make it so

Yeah, I was working out for about 2 years before I had to stop due to school. So I was putting in serious time. You definitely hit that peak.

If you workout, post a pic Ice.

what does that have to do with the veracity of your statements?

exercising the cardiovascular system I meant. of course it's healthy to exercise the muscles, nobody is saying it's not— but getting huge without working on your cardiovascular system is unhealthy too. and biking IS a better workout for your heart than lifting weights.

lets review cyrus' contention

1.In the long run, being able to stay thin is much better for your health, so it is a good thing.

2.I think the fastest way to lose weight is to ride a road bike.

3.But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting.

4.With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen

and my contention

1. false

2. absolutely false

3. arguable

4. absolutely false

 

[Cyrus]

saying so doesn't make it so

what does that have to do with the veracity of your statements?

Clearly, you have read a lot of books on weightlifting. I am just curious how well your weighlifting has gone for you. I.e., I want to see if your 'all talk'.


1.- In what way is being thin, as opposed to heavier (i.e. more stress on your heart and body fat), a bad thing?

2.- the point was that you lose weight really fast, its called hyperbole. Not eating would be the fastest way to lose weight (and then die). Gimme a break on this one.

3. Ummm, no. Many bodybuilders end up having heart attacks because of all that mass they have to pump blood to. Yes, cycling is better for your heart. Bodybuilding is not a cardio workout.

4. I think I know my own body better than you do.

 

[hypatia]

Cycleing is a GREAT cardio-workout, with very little joint stress.

 

[ice109]

Clearly, you have read a lot of books on weightlifting. I am just curious how well your weighlifting has gone for you. I.e., I want to see if your 'all talk'.

i haven't really "talked" about myself anywhere except for in the OP and to say that i suck at racquetball and how i don't get much sleep.

1.- In what way is being thin, as opposed to heavier (i.e. more stress on your heart and body fat), a bad thing?

i've already said it, muscular fitness is an integral part of overall fitness.

2.- the point was that you lose weight really fast, its called hyperbole. Not eating would be the fastest way to lose weight (and then die). Gimme a break on this one.

and my point was that there are many more effective forms of exercise that makes you burn fat

3. Ummm, no. Many bodybuilders end up having heart attacks because of all that mass they have to pump blood to. Yes, cycling is better for your heart. Bodybuilding is not a cardio workout.

bodybuilders have heart attacks because they have extreme diets pre-competition and take steroids. additionally no one was talking about bodybuilding, and i'll quote you again "But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting." weightlifting != bodybuilding.

4. I think I know my own body better than you do.

i think i know biology and strength training better than you

Cycleing is a GREAT cardio-workout, with very little joint stress.

very true

 

[Cyrus]

i've already said it, muscular fitness is an integral part of overall fitness.

Did I say otherwise?

and my point was that there are many more effective forms of exercise that makes you burn fat

Like I said, give me a break on this one. I said it was hyperbole, you should know better than that.

bodybuilders have heart attacks because they have extreme diets pre-competition and take steroids. additionally no one was talking about bodybuilding, and i'll quote you again "But, your heart becomes infinitely more healthy than from weightlifting." weightlifting != bodybuilding.

I am talking about bodybuilding, which is something more in line with what moe would be into if he wanted to gain mass.

i think i know biology and strength training better than you

I don't think you do if you're going to tell me a thin body type can easily gain as much mass as Beeza.

 

[FrogPad]

Clearly, you have read a lot of books on weightlifting. I am just curious how well your weighlifting has gone for you. I.e., I want to see if your 'all talk'.


1.- In what way is being thin, as opposed to heavier (i.e. more stress on your heart and body fat), a bad thing?

2.- the point was that you lose weight really fast, its called hyperbole. Not eating would be the fastest way to lose weight (and then die). Gimme a break on this one.

3. Ummm, no. Many bodybuilders end up having heart attacks because of all that mass they have to pump blood to. Yes, cycling is better for your heart. Bodybuilding is not a cardio workout.

4. I think I know my own body better than you do.

Not like I'm in any place to moderate... but you guys are just arguing for the hell of it. Cyrus made statements in a loose fashion that are somewhat open for interpretation. ice109 has points based on the the way things were expressed. But c'mon... this was a nice thread. You both had some interesting things to say.

Cyrus. In a a nutshell, what was your routine? I was on a heavy (relative term) squat routine for awhile, and then I hurt myself deadlifting. But, I'm itching to get back to it. Specifically, what did you do for your shoulders. Good peaks on um'

 

[ice109]

im done, i was arguing because i hate people who pervert language to prove themselves right. cyrus you said one thing, either stick to it or if you meant something else say so. but saying

"With my body type, I could never be as big as you even if I tried. Id have to take steriods in every part of my body before that would happen"

and changing it to

"I don't think you do if you're going to tell me a thin body type can easily gain as much mass as Beeza."

to be right just for the sake of being right is infuriating.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, then don't come in here and start busting my balls over trivial crap ice. Jessssusss man.

Excuse me, I was not being 100% precise with my words. I thought we were grown up enough to realize that when I posted.

Besides, I am right and you know it!

 

[Cyrus]

Not like I'm in any place to moderate... but you guys are just arguing for the hell of it. Cyrus made statements in a loose fashion that are somewhat open for interpretation. ice109 has points based on the the way things were expressed. But c'mon... this was a nice thread. You both had some interesting things to say.

Cyrus. In a a nutshell, what was your routine? I was on a heavy (relative term) squat routine for awhile, and then I hurt myself deadlifting. But, I'm itching to get back to it. Specifically, what did you do for your shoulders. Good peaks on um'

My friend and I would do one body part a day. So it was something like:

M: Chest
T: Back
W: Shoulders
T: Arms
F: Legs
S: Abbs and forearms

I don't really do deadlifts or squats. It bothers my lower back and I don't want to do power lifting. I would just stick to inclined leg press. Man, the leg press would burn like hell though.

Ah man shoulders....sigh. I had really strong shoulders and bicpets. But I (stupidly) should have gone lighter on the shoulders because they started to hurt after a while. I would do shoulder press with like 70lb dumbells (3 sets of 8-10), which was good considering my thin frame. I don't think I could do half of that right now.

The best person to give you advice on shoulders would be Beeza though. Id always ask the biggest guy at the gym for advice, and compare it to what most other big guys would tell me. Its a great way to get advice from their own experience.

 

[ice109]

Well, then don't come in here and start busting my balls over trivial crap ice. Jessssusss man.

Excuse me, I was not being 100% precise with my words. I thought we were grown up enough to realize that when I posted.

Besides, I am right and you know it!

that's why you're an engineering major and I'm a physics major. close enough is unsatisfactory for me

 

[chroot]

Well, I am in a position to moderate, and I'm telling you, ice109, to knock it off. You're just quoting people and responding with "WRONG!"

If you can actually make a substantive argument against Cyrus, preferably with references, personal experience, or even anecdotes, then cool -- do it.

The truth is that road cycling really is one of the most energy-intensive forms of exercise you can do. I know my cardiovascular system, know my zones, and I can literally burn 800 calories an hour on a road bike over extended periods of time. On an average century ride, I'll burn nearly 5k calories in about seven hours. There are few exercises which burn so many calories and can be done for such long periods of time.

If you know of other exercises which burn more calories per hour and can be done for more hours consecutively, then please inform me.

- Warren

 

[ice109]

first of all the burden of proof is not on me but that's just philosophical wax ;)

second of all for purposes of losing fat this is the most efficient way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_training

third of all how did you figure out that you burn 800cal an hour chroot?
http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm we have that chart which contains several activities that burn more calories. also are you pedaling over 20mph for 7 hours? i don't understand what you mean by can be done for more hours consecutively? if you're burning 5k kcal/7 hour that's a power output of 830 watts, why do you think you couldn't produce that much power doing something else?

 

[chroot]

Nice links, ice! That's how you carry out a debate. Good show.

I use a heart-rate monitor, and have had my VO2 calibrated in a lab a few years ago. I know pretty accurately how my heart rate is correlated to my energy expenditure.

And no, I'm not pedaling over 20 mph. Your own link puts ~800 kcal/hr in the "Bicycling, 14-15.9mph, vigorous effort" category, which is just about right. If I complete a 100-mile bike ride in seven hours, my average is around 14 mph.

You can certainly do other kinds of exercise which consume more calories per hour, but it's very doubtful (to me) that you could actually continue to do them for seven straight hours.

Boxing for seven hours? Handball for seven hours? I don't know about those.

However, I can certainly imagine exercises like rowing being done for extended periods of time, so you're right -- cycling is not the only such exercise. Cycling is definitely more accessible to the average person than rowing, though.

- Warren

 

[moe darklight]

I miss my bike . my friends lost it in high school when we were drunk in a forest (probably my favorite story from high school, but it's really long). now with school and having to buy a new computer I haven't been able to buy a new one .

I have knee problems, nothing serious, but running still KILLS my knees, so running's not a possibility for me.

a good one I love is kayaking, it can be pretty intense and draining, and works pretty much all of your upper body and abs nicely, AND you always keep cool from the water splashing so you don't feel all sweaty. but it's not very accessible so I've only done it 3 times.