Area of Ring Element: Puzzling Out dA

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the area of a ring element, specifically addressing the expression for the differential area, dA, and the assumptions involved in its derivation. Participants explore the relationship between the circumference of the ring and its infinitesimal thickness, dρ, within the context of calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression dA = (2πρ)dρ, suggesting that the varying circumference complicates the multiplication by dρ.
  • Another participant clarifies that the ring is assumed to have infinitesimal thickness, leading to the conclusion that as dρ approaches 0, the area can be expressed as 2πρ⋅dρ.
  • A further contribution reiterates the confusion regarding the area calculation, emphasizing that the area of a circle with radius ρ should be πρ², not 2πρ², and notes the importance of infinitesimal changes in calculus.
  • A mathematical expression is presented, \(\int 2\pi \rho d\rho = \pi \rho^2\), which seems to relate to the area calculation but is not fully contextualized within the discussion.
  • Another participant confirms the assumption of infinitesimal thickness and points out that the diagram illustrates the width of the ring as dp, which may clarify the confusion regarding the thickness notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the area calculation for the ring element. While some support the use of the expression dA = (2πρ)dρ under the assumption of infinitesimal thickness, others remain uncertain about its application and correctness, particularly in relation to the area of a circle.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of thickness and the conditions under which the area calculations are valid. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the concept of infinitesimals in calculus, which may not be universally accepted or understood among participants.

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The circumference of the shaded ring is 2πρ however I am struggling to understand how the area, dA, of the ring is equal to (2πρ)dρ? I mean the circumference varies depending on the value of ρ so surely we can't multiply by dρ to yield the entire area of the shaded ring? If we decided to go by the method followed in the diagram above, then the area of the circle with radius ρ would be circumference*thickness = 2πρ(ρ) = 2πρ2 but this isn't correct as the area should be πρ2?

I know this is supposed to be simple but I am having a brain freeze and it just isn't clicking atm.
 
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The ring is assumed to be of infinitesimal thickness. Here, thickness dρ is the infinitesimal change is the radius. Hence, as dρ→0, i.e.as dρ tends to 0, the inner circumference of the ring→the outer circumference i.e. area of the ring=2πρ⋅dρ.
 
influx said:
If we decided to go by the method followed in the diagram above, then the area of the circle with radius ρ would be circumference*thickness = 2πρ(ρ) = 2πρ2 but this isn't correct as the area should be πρ2?
This method is useful only when the "change" is very small, to be precise, "infinitesimal"(→0). This is a very common technique in calculus.
 
[itex]\int 2\pi \rho d\rho = \pi \rho^2[/itex]
 
cnh1995 said:
The ring is assumed to be of infinitesimal thickness.

yes, you have to notice in the diagram that the width ['thickness'] of the ring is illustrated as dp.
 

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