Artificial gravity ship: Floor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of artificial gravity generated by a rotating circular ship, exploring the mechanics of centripetal and centrifugal forces, and how they relate to human experience within such a structure. Participants examine the implications of jumping or moving within the rotating environment and the forces at play.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the centripetal force is necessary to keep individuals on the floor of the rotating ship, while the centrifugal force is perceived due to the rotation.
  • Others argue that if the floor were to disappear, individuals would move in a straight line due to inertia, highlighting the need for a force to maintain circular motion.
  • A participant questions how centripetal acceleration would affect someone who jumps, suggesting confusion about how they would return to the floor.
  • Some participants propose that the floor provides the necessary force to keep individuals in circular motion, akin to how gravity works on Earth.
  • There is a discussion about the relative strength of gravitational forces on Earth compared to those that could be generated by a rotating ship, with some noting that Earth's mass creates a significant gravitational pull that is not replicable in smaller structures.
  • One participant suggests that various forces, such as gravity or tension, can provide the necessary centripetal force for circular motion, not just the floor of the ship.
  • Another point raised is the trajectory of a person jumping within the ship, with some asserting that they would return to the same spot due to the ship's rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanics of artificial gravity and the forces involved. There is no consensus on how jumping affects an individual's position relative to the floor or the nature of the forces at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the forces involved and the assumptions regarding the size and mass of the ship compared to Earth. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of gravitational forces in artificial environments.

  • #31
eroxore said:
So if one were to jump "really hard", would that enable one to land on a different spot than the one you jumped off from?

Yes, because the higher your jump and the longer you spend in the air traveling a straight line while your jumping-off point is following the curved path, the less accurate the small-angle approximation becomes.

Something similar happens when you jump on the curved surface of the earth. You don't notice or worry about the rotation and curvature of the Earth when you make a normal human-sized jump. But if you're aiming very long-range artillery (the artillery shell is "jumping" many kilometers and spending an appreciable time in flight) you do.
 
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  • #32
eroxore said:
So if one were to jump "really hard", would that enable one to land on a different spot than the one you jumped off from?

However high you jump there is a difference between your traveled distance and how far the floor has traveled by the time you land. The difference is increasingly relevant, the higher you jump.
 

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