Atomic Structure: Does an Atom Have Matter and Charge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether an atom consists of matter and charge, exploring the definitions and distinctions between subatomic particles, matter, and their properties. Participants engage in clarifying concepts related to atomic structure and the nature of matter.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an atom is made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons, which have electrical charges, but question whether these particles are considered matter.
  • Others argue that the term "matter" is not clearly defined, with some definitions including anything made of atoms and others including anything that has mass.
  • A participant suggests that subatomic particles may not be considered matter under certain definitions, while others contend that they are matter based on mass.
  • There is a discussion about whether an atom can be said to consist of mass and charge, with some participants rejecting this characterization as it conflates properties with objects.
  • One participant compares the assertion that an atom consists of mass and charge to saying a building consists of its properties, such as color and weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of matter and the characterization of atoms, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the definitions of matter and the properties of atomic components, with no consensus on the best way to categorize these concepts.

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Simpel question: does an atom consists of matter and charge?
Yes/no?? If no Then what?
 
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Ankhen said:
Simpel question: does an atom consists of matter and charge?
Yes/no?? If no Then what?
An atom is made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons. These are generally considered to be subatomic particles, not matter. The electrons and protons have electrical charges.
 
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Nugatory said:
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An atom is made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons. These are generally conside
Nugatory said:
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An atom is made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons. These are generally considered to be subatomic particles, not matter. The electrons and protons have electrical charges.

red to be subatomic particles, not matter. The electrons and protons have electrical charges.

That i already knew, but thanks:) but can you explane the Difference between subatomic particles and matter?
 
Electric charge is a fundamental property of certain elementary particles, including the electron. An atom is made up of 3 different particles, which Nugatory already listed. It is not "made of charge".

Matter is an ill-defined word. Usually we use it to mean anything made up of protons, neutrons, or electrons. However, other fundamental particles are called matter too. You can think of the word 'matter' as just a label to help us categorize things. For example, light, while having energy and obeying some of the same basic laws as electrons and protons, is NOT considered matter, primarily because it has no mass and always travels at c in a vacuum.
 
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That i already knew, but thanks:) but can you explane the Difference between subatomic particles and matter?

There's no good answer to that question because, as Drakkith points out, the word "matter" is not especially clearly defined. Two of the more common definitions of "matter" are:
1) Stuff that's made up of atoms.
2) Anything that has mass.
According to #1, subatomic particles aren't matter, but matter is made out of them.
According to #2, subatomic particles are matter.

It's somewhat of a waste to time to debate which if either definition is "better".
 
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Nugatory said:
There's no good answer to that question because, as Drakkith points out, the word "matter" is not especially clearly defined. Two of the more common definitions of "matter" are:
1) Stuff that's made up of atoms.
2) Anything that has mass.
According to #1, subatomic particles aren't matter, but matter is made out of them.
According to #2, subatomic particles are matter.

It's somewhat of a waste to time to debate which if either definition is "better".
So we can say that an atom consists of mass and charge?
 
Ankhen said:
So we can say that an atom consists of mass and charge?

No. Mass and charge are properties of objects, not objects themselves. An electron isn't made up of charge any more than an apple is made up of 'red' or ice is made up of 'smooth'.
 
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Ankhen said:
So we can say that an atom consists of mass and charge?
You can say anything you want... But saying that an atom consists of mass and charge is like saying that a building made of heavy red bricks consists of redness and heaviness.

This thread can be closed here, I think.
 

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