Atwood Machine Tensional Value Problem HELP

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The discussion revolves around the Atwood machine's tension values and the dynamics of a pulley system. The user analyzes the relationships between tensions T1, T2, and T3, concluding that T3 is less than the sum of T1 and T2 due to the dynamic nature of the system. Key equations derived include T2 = M2g - M2a and T1 = m1a + m1g, with the user ultimately determining that the acceleration of m1 equals that of M2. The user corrects their initial assumptions about the tensions after further analysis.

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1. A pulley with mass Mp and a radius Rp is attached to the ceiling, in a gravity field of 9.81 m/s^2 and rotates with no friction about its pivot. Mass M2 is larger than mass m1. The quantities Tn and g are magnitudes.

A) T3 is ... T1 + T2
B) T1 is ... m1g.
C) The C.M. of Mp+m1+M2 does not accelerate.
D) T3 is ... m1g + M2g + Mpg.
E) T2 is ... T1
F) The magnitude of the acceleration of m1 is ... that of M2.


I have not included a diagram, but this seems to be a standard Atwood machine. First of all, using Fnet = ma, for each mass, I found that:

T2 = M2g - M2a,
T1 = m1a + m1g
T3 (the tensional force holding the pulley to the ceiling) = M2g + m1g + Mpg

Using this knowledge, I determined that:

A) T3 > T1 + T2
B) T1 > m1g
C) True (because the pulley itself is not accelerating)
D) T3 = m1g + M2g + Mpg (I have a feeling this might be where I went wrong)
E) T2 > T1 (I wasn't sure about this one either, chose it because M2 is greater)
F) The magnitude of the acceleration of m1 is = that of M2

This is my last question of an assignment due in only two hours, and I'm completely stumped. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

EDIT*** figured it out - C is false and D is <
sorry
 
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Why is D "<"? I also expected them to be equal.
 
SLesh said:
Why is D "<"? I also expected them to be equal.
< is correct. This is a dynamic situation, so the tensions are lower than needed to retain stasis.
 

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