Average Value of a Function - temperature

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the average temperature of a cup of tea over a specified time interval using Newton's Law of Cooling. The temperature function provided is T(t) = 20 + 78 e^(-t/50), and the problem specifically asks for the average temperature during the first 38 minutes.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct bounds for the integral needed to find the average temperature, with some confusion about using time versus temperature limits. There are attempts to clarify the integration process and the need to adjust variable limits when changing variables.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the integration process, with participants offering guidance on correcting mistakes related to variable limits. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations, while others provide feedback on the reasoning and steps taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the setup of the problem and the implications of changing variables in integration. There is acknowledgment of the potential for small errors to significantly affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement


If a cup of tea has temperature 98C in a room where the temperature is 20C, then according to Newton's Law of Cooling the temperature of the tea after t minutes is
[tex]$\displaystyle \Large T(t)=20 + 78 e^{-t/50}.$[/tex]
What is the average temperature of the tea during the first 38 minutes?

Homework Equations


[tex]$ fave ={1}/{b-a} \int _a^bf(x)dx$[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]$ fave ={1}/{98-20} \int _{20}^{98} T(t)dt$[/tex] [tex]${fave} =\frac{1}{78}\int _{20}^{98} 20 + 78 e^{-t/50}dt?$[/tex]
 
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Well, no. It's integral from t=0 to t=38. Why are you putting the bounds for T in instead of t? It's an average temperature over a time interval.
 
Dick said:
Well, no. It's integral from t=0 to t=38. Why are you putting the bounds for T in instead of t? It's an average temperature over a time interval.

so [tex] ${fave} =\frac{1}{38}\int _{0}^{38} 20 + 78 e^{-t/50}dt?$[/tex]

i don't understand your question.. how should i construct the question?
in my textbook they wrote like 2 sentences about temperature and i don't get it.. they don't even have an example for this type of questions
 
That's fine. What's your question? You want to average T(t) from t=0 to t=38. That's correct. You just put the T limits in instead of t. That's wrong.
 
Dick said:
That's fine. What's your question? You want to average T(t) from t=0 to t=38. That's correct. You just put the T limits in instead of t. That's wrong.

[tex]${fave} =\frac{1}{38}\int _{0}^{38} 20 + 78 e^{-t/50}dt$[/tex]
my problem is to find the antiderivative of this i think.
would it be:
[tex]${fave} =\frac{1}{38} (\int _{0}^{38} 20dt + \int _{0}^{38}78 e^{-t/50}dt )$[/tex]
[tex]${fave} =\frac{1}{38} (20t+C|^3^8 + \int _{0}^{38}78 e^{-t/50}dt )$[/tex]
[tex]${fave} =\frac{1}{38} (760 + 78 \int _{0}^{38}e^{-t/50}dt )$[/tex]

let u = -t/50
dt = -50du
[tex]${fave} =\int _{0}^{38}e^{u}dt $[/tex]
[tex]${fave} =\int _{0}^{38}e^{u}(-50)du $[/tex]
[tex]${fave} =(-50)* \int _{0}^{38}e^{u}du $[/tex]
[tex]${fave} =(-50)* e^{-t/50} + C |^3^8 $[/tex]

-50 * e^(-38/50) = -23.38

[tex]${fave} \frac{1}{38} (760 + 78 * (-23.38) )$[/tex] = -27.997

im sure its wrong.. but where did i f.. up?
 
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Yeah, it's definitely wrong. The mean should be somewhere between 98C and 20C. You are just being sloppy. As to where it happened, I would look at where you have a du integral and you still have t limits. If you change the variable from t to u aren't you supposed to change the limits as well?
 
not quite what you did was forget to subtract e^ (-t/50) from e^0.
[tex] ${fave} =\int _{0}^{38}e^{u}(-50)du $ [/tex]

is

evaluates to

e^ (-38/50) - e ^0
which is something like -.54
times your constant which was -78*50/38
gives you a positive number, somewhere around 55.
add that to

[tex] ${fave} =\int _{0}^{38}du $ [/tex]

The correct exact answer is 74.63, which makes perfect sense.
 
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You are forgetting to change the t limits to u limits as well.
 
cant believe how stupid my mistake was :bugeye: this small e^0 changed everything...
well.. at least i get how to do this kind of question now! its actually not that hard when i think about it now :rolleyes:

thanks once more guys :wink:
 

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