Proving that integral of transfer function equals 1

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The discussion revolves around proving that the integral of a transfer function equals one, given the relationship between the expected value of a function and the expected value of its convolution with a transfer function. The context involves concepts from probability and statistics, particularly in relation to expected values and integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the expected value of a function and its convolution with a transfer function, questioning how to manipulate these integrals. There are attempts to relate the integral of the convolution to the expected value, and some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and context of the expected value.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the definitions of expected values and the assumptions underlying the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of expected values in the context of probability density functions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or definitions.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the completeness of the information provided in the problem statement, as participants mention the difficulty in understanding the professor's explanations and the potential absence of necessary details about the expected value of the transfer function.

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Homework Statement


Given that the expected value of a function is equal to the expected value of the convolution of that function f with a transfer function g
<br /> E(f) = E(\widetilde{f})<br />
prove that the following holds
<br /> \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} g(t) \, dt = 1 <br />
Here f is the function and g is the transfer function, and \widetilde{f}=f*g is the convolution

Homework Equations


<br /> \widetilde{f} = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} f(x-t)g(t) \, dt<br />

<br /> E(f) = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x) \, dx<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to approach this, my guess is that by replacing E(f) on both sides would lead to the proof:
<br /> \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x) \, dx = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)g(t) \, dt\, dx<br />
 
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$$
E(\tilde{f}) = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)g(t) \, dt\, dx = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)\,dx \right) g(t) \, dt
$$
How do you recognize the integral inside the parentheses?
EDIT: On a second thought, are you sure you don't miss any given information?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
$$
E(\tilde{f}) = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)g(t) \, dt\, dx = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)\,dx \right) g(t) \, dt
$$
How do you recognize the integral inside the parentheses?
EDIT: On a second thought, are you sure you don't miss any given information?
No, I am not sure I am not missing anything. It's very hard to understand what the professor is saying or writing on the board, most of the time we try to decode what he meant to say.
How can I relate the integral in the parentheses to E(f), my calculus-fu is weak?
 
What about the expected value of ##g(t)##? Is it not given?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
What about the expected value of ##g(t)##? Is it not given?
It's not given for sure.
 
whatsoever said:

Homework Statement


Given that the expected value of a function is equal to the expected value of the convolution of that function f with a transfer function g
<br /> E(f) = E(\widetilde{f})<br />
prove that the following holds
<br /> \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} g(t) \, dt = 1<br />
Here f is the function and g is the transfer function, and \widetilde{f}=f*g is the convolution

Homework Equations


<br /> \widetilde{f} = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} f(x-t)g(t) \, dt<br />

<br /> E(f) = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x) \, dx<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to approach this, my guess is that by replacing E(f) on both sides would lead to the proof:
<br /> \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x) \, dx = \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty} xf(x-t)g(t) \, dt\, dx<br />

Are you sure about the definition of ##E(f)##? IF ##f(x)## is a probability density function (that is, ##f \geq 0## and ##\int f = 1##) then the quantity ##\int x f(x) \, dx## is, indeed, the expected value of the random variable associated with ##f##. However, if your problem is not in the context of probability and statistics, there is no reason to look at ##\int x f(x) \, dx##. Are you sure you are not supposed to take ##E(f) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) \, dx##?
 
Ray Vickson said:
Are you sure about the definition of ##E(f)##? IF ##f(x)## is a probability density function (that is, ##f \geq 0## and ##\int f = 1##) then the quantity ##\int x f(x) \, dx## is, indeed, the expected value of the random variable associated with ##f##. However, if your problem is not in the context of probability and statistics, there is no reason to look at ##\int x f(x) \, dx##. Are you sure you are not supposed to take ##E(f) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) \, dx##?

This would make more sense, as I said it's kind of hard to make out what is written on the board and I didn't check the equation for the expected value.
 

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