Average velocity ##\bar{v}## for a uniformly accelerating particle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average velocity for a uniformly accelerating particle, specifically focusing on the relationship between initial velocity, final velocity, and acceleration over a given time interval.

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  • Participants explore the definition of average velocity and its calculation using integrals. There is a focus on the integration process and the correct application of the velocity function. Questions arise regarding the signs used in the equations and the interpretation of terms in the average velocity formula.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations and reasoning. Some have offered hints and corrections regarding the integration and the function used for velocity. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the terms involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration process and the application of the velocity function, with participants questioning assumptions about the signs in their equations. The original poster has requested hints rather than direct solutions, aligning with the forum's learning-first approach.

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Homework Statement
Show that if a particle is undergoing uniform acceleration, its average velocity over a time ##t## may be written as ##\bar{v} = \dfrac{v_f+v_i}{2}## or as ##\dfrac{x_f-x_i}{t}##, where ##f## and ##i## refer to initial and final values.
Relevant Equations
1. Average velocity is defined to be ##\quad\bar{v} \overset{\text{def.}}{=}\dfrac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}##.
2. For uniformly accelerated motion, final velocity ##\quad v_f=v_1+a_0(t_f-t_i)##
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Statement of the problem :
Let me copy and paste the problem from the text. Please note it's part (i) that I am seeking to answer. I know the answer to part (ii).

Solution : To show where my error appears, I take the time(s) to be ##t_f## and ##t_i##, whereby the given time interval ##t = t_f-t_i##. The average velocity ##\small{\quad\bar{v}\overset{\text{def.}}{=}\dfrac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}= \dfrac{\int\limits_{t_i}^{t_f}v(t)dt}{t_f-t_i}=\dfrac{\int\limits_{t_i}^{t_f}(v_i+a_0t)dt}{t_f-t_i}=v_i+\dfrac{a_0}{t_f-t_i}\left[ \dfrac{t^2}{2} \right]_{t_i}^{t_f}=v_i+\dfrac{a_0}{2(t_f-t_i)}\left( t_f^2 - t_i^2\right) = v_i+\dfrac{a_0}{2}\left( t_f+t_i \right)=\dfrac{v_i+\{v_i+a_0\left( t_f+t_i\right)\}}{2}}##
The last term is not equal to the final velocity ##v_f## : ##\quad\dfrac{v_i+\overbrace{\{v_i+a_0\left( t_f+t_i\right)\}}^{\ne v_f}}{2}\ne\dfrac{v_i+v_f}{2}##.
We note that the final velocity ##v_f=v_i+a_0(t_f-t_i)##. For me, the minus sign ##-## is replaced with a plus##+## sign.
This is where I am stuck. Request : A hint would be welcome.
 
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brotherbobby said:
We note that the final velocity ##v_f=v_i+a_0(t_f-t_i)##. For me, the minus sign ##-## is replaced with a plus##+## sign.
You'll have to explain why you made that a plus sign!
 
PeroK said:
You'll have to explain why you made that a plus sign!
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From my calculations above. The two terms which have "##-##" signs cancel, leaving the term ##t_f+t_i##.
 
brotherbobby said:
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From my calculations above. The two terms which have "##-##" signs cancel, leaving the term ##t_f+t_i##.
You have integrated wrongly. You should find that the integral of velocity for constant acceleration is
$$x_f -x_i = v_i(t_f-t_i) +\frac 1 2 a(t_f^2 -t_i^2)$$
Ps sorry, I meant:
$$x_f -x_i = v_i(t_f-t_i) +\frac 1 2 a(t_f-t_i)^2$$
 
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I don't follow you. What you wrote is exactly what I did.

##x_f -x_i = v_i(t_f-t_i) +\frac 1 2 a(t_f^2 -t_i^2)##

If you divide both sides of the equation by ##t_f-t_i##, you get ##\bar v= v_i+\dfrac{1}{2}a_0(t_f+t_i)##, which is what I got.
PeroK said:
You have integrated wrongly
Can you show me where in my workings in post #1 above?
 
Your integration is fine. What you have inadvertently done is used the wrong function for ##v(t)##. I ask you to evaluate ##v(t)## at ##t=t_o## and tell us what you get.
 
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erobz said:
Your integration is fine. What you have inadvertently done is used the wrong function for ##v(t)##. I ask you to evaluate ##v(t)## at ##t=t_o## and tell us what you get.
I got you. We should have ##v(t) = v_i+a_0(t-t_i)##. Hence when ##t=t_i##, ##v(t_i)=v_i##.
 
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I show you the calculations below in rough. Thanks. I have solved the problem.
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It will save you significant algebra if you do a ##u## substitution with ##u = t - t_o ## to evaluate the integral.

##du = dt##

## u_f = t_f - t_o##

## u_o = t_o -t_o = 0 ##

$$ \bar{v} = \frac{ \int_{0}^{u_f} \left( v_o + a_o u \right) du}{u_f} $$

$$ \implies \bar{v} = \frac{v_o u_f + \frac{1}{2} a_o u_f^2 }{u_f} $$

$$ \implies \bar{v} = v_o + \frac{1}{2} a_o u_f = v_o + \frac{1}{2} a_o ( t_f - t_o ) = \frac{v_o+v_f}{2} $$
 

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