Average Velocity of gas molecules calculated with a Boltzmann distribution

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The discussion revolves around the average velocity of gas molecules as calculated by the Boltzmann distribution within the context of kinetic theory of gases. Participants explore the implications of this average velocity, whether all molecules share the same average velocity, and the relationship between average speed and molecular species.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that the average velocity of gas molecules is often interpreted as average speed, noting that the average velocity can be zero due to directional cancellation.
  • It is proposed that the average speed calculated by the Boltzmann distribution reflects the average speed of a sufficiently large sample of molecules, with fluctuations expected in smaller samples.
  • Participants express that not all molecules have the same average velocity, with one stating that average calculations are necessary only when values differ.
  • One participant questions if the inquiry pertains to different molecular species, suggesting that average velocities will differ based on molecular mass, despite equal average kinetic energy at equilibrium.
  • There is a suggestion that the average velocity calculated using the Boltzmann distribution may be conceptually similar to measuring the velocity of a single molecule multiple times and averaging those measurements.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about proving the equivalence of instantaneous average speed over all molecules to the time-average for a single molecule.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether all molecules have the same average velocity, with multiple views presented regarding the implications of molecular species and the nature of averages in this context. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the relationship between average speed and individual molecular measurements.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, including the dependence on molecular species and the conditions under which averages are calculated. There is also mention of the need for clarification on the definition of average in multi-body cases.

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What is the meaning of the average velocity of gas molecules calculated by Boltzmann distribution (in kinetic theory of gases)?
Does all molecules have the same average velocity?
 
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Viona said:
What is the meaning of the average velocity of gas molecules calculated by Boltzmann distribution (in kinetic theory of gases)?
I guess you mean speed, because the average velocity is normally 0.

The meaning is the same as for any average. Were you to sample a bunch of molecules, the average speed of these molecules would be equal to the average speed calculated by the Boltzmann distribution, provided that the number of sampled molecules is high enough (for smaller numbers, you will get fluctuations around the average value).

Viona said:
Does all molecules have the same average velocity?
It depends. Check the parameters that enter into the calculation of the average speed. Provided that these parameters are equal, then the average speed will be the same.
 
Viona said:
Does all molecules have the same average velocity?
No.

I don't understand your question. Using an average calculation in any circumstance is needed only when the values are not all equal.
 
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The average thermal speed is useful for a number of things, but I don't really understand what the question is here. As for your question about all molecules, are you asking if different molecular species have the same average velocity? If so, then generally no. In a gas volume at a given temperature, the average kinetic energy of all molecules is the same (assuming it has reached equilibrium), so the average velocity of any gas species will scale with the inverse square root of the molecular mass.
 
anorlunda said:
No.

I don't understand your question. Using an average calculation in any circumstance is needed only when the values are not all equal.

cjl said:
The average thermal speed is useful for a number of things, but I don't really understand what the question is here. As for your question about all molecules, are you asking if different molecular species have the same average velocity? If so, then generally no. In a gas volume at a given temperature, the average kinetic energy of all molecules is the same (assuming it has reached equilibrium), so the average velocity of any gas species will scale with the inverse square root of the molecular mass.
I think I am confused: is the average velocity calculated using Boltzmann distribution is similar to, for example, measuring the velocity for one molecule many times and take the average?
 
Viona said:
I think I am confused: is the average velocity calculated using Boltzmann distribution is similar to, for example, measuring the velocity for one molecule many times and take the average?

First answer @cjl 's question. Are you asking about a gas with one molecule specie. or multiple species ? (such as air with O2, and N2)

If the average kinetic energy is E, then E=mv2, and the corresponding velocity is ##v=\sqrt{E/m}## . But m is different for each specie.

If you are just asking about the definition of average for multibody cases, try to answer the question yourself and post your conclusion.
 
I believe the instantaneous average speed over all the molecules is equal to the time-average for a single molecule, but I'm not sure I could prove it.
 

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