Avoiding homelessness on short timescale

[cobalt124]

That better? Found some typos too.

 

[lisab]

That better? Found some typos too.

Welcome to PF, cobalt. You made some good points in your post.

 

[G037H3]

I'm trying to make a list of places to visit to talk to managers about jobs and such, and I realized I have little idea how to focus a list, considering my situation. I tried to obtain suitable results, but all I could really find were many news stories and papers about TG hiring discrimination. That definitely did not help my confidence. Most fast food (excluding like Subway), big box retailers (would make me cut my hair and wear slacks, etc.), and grocers (they're striking), are pretty much a waste of time. Any ideas? (I could have made this a separate thread, but I dunno)

 

[lisab]

Try temp agencies. It's a good way to get your foot in the door to places that might not hire you the traditional way. It's also a good way to get quick cash...just don't expect a 'good' job right off the bat.

 

[G037H3]

Try temp agencies. It's a good way to get your foot in the door to places that might not hire you the traditional way. It's also a good way to get quick cash...just don't expect a 'good' job right off the bat.

Since I'm on food benefits now, I only need a minimum of $500 or so a month. What kind of jobs do temp agencies give access to? :O

 

[JaredJames]

Fast food would make you cut your hair? Why? There's this amazing device called a hair net. Even blokes wear it in the UK.

Stop looking for these discrimination stories. Just apply for jobs.

The whole TG thing doesn't have to come up unless they specifically ask about it. You're not lying to them, you're not being dishonest. If it isn't specificied you must declare it then don't. And even then, is it something you'd know just by speaking to you? If not, let it slide.

 

[G037H3]

Fast food would make you cut your hair? Why? There's this amazing device called a hair net. Even blokes wear it in the UK.

Stop looking for these discrimination stories. Just apply for jobs.

The whole TG thing doesn't have to come up unless they specifically ask about it. You're not lying to them, you're not being dishonest. If it isn't specificied you must declare it then don't. And even then, is it something you'd know just by speaking to you? If not, let it slide.

Fast food/resturants would make me suicidal. I know I'm going to have to deal with a certain level of stupidity regardless of what I do (for now), but being yelled at by a 40 year old who is angry at their failure to make anything of their lives, is not an attractive prospect. I'm also horrible at focusing on minuitae, so dishwashing is out...I have a very active mind, some of the most low-level positions are something I'd fail miserably at. And that's okay, I just need to focus on trying to find places I'd do well at.

I wasn't looking *for* discrimination stories. I was trying to find info/advice on how to approach a job search as a TG person.

I wear eyeliner, girls shirts, skirts, etc., pretty regularly. I don't really have much male clothing; it's repulsively bland.

I've been researching the idea lisab had, about a temp job agency, and it seems like that would be what I really want. *Job placement*. Now the issue is to find one that focuses on entry-level work, I guess. Most of what I've seen is either light industrial/clerical, or degreed positions.

 

[cristo]

Fast food/resturants would make me suicidal. I know I'm going to have to deal with a certain level of stupidity regardless of what I do (for now), but being yelled at by a 40 year old who is angry at their failure to make anything of their lives, is not an attractive prospect. I'm also horrible at focusing on minuitae, so dishwashing is out...I have a very active mind, some of the most low-level positions are something I'd fail miserably at. And that's okay, I just need to focus on trying to find places I'd do well at.

When you post something like this it's like you've just ignored the last 8 or so pages of this thread. You have no work experience and no marketable skills and don't have any money to pay next month's rent, so I really don't see how you can be so picky when it comes to jobs. I don't understand why you're not blanket-bombing every business that you have even the slightest chance of being hired by. The fact that you're not, and that you're still 'thinking' and posting here tells me that the situation may well not be as difficult as you've had us believe.

 

[JaredJames]

When you post something like this it's like you've just ignored the last 8 or so pages of this thread. You have no work experience and no marketable skills and don't have any money to pay next month's rent, so I really don't see how you can be so picky when it comes to jobs. I don't understand why you're not blanket-bombing every business that you have even the slightest chance of being hired by. The fact that you're not, and that you're still 'thinking' and posting here tells me that the situation may well not be as difficult as you've had us believe.

I totally agree.

Goethe, you are asking how to avoid homelessness and we have told you. Get a job, any job and earn some cash. We're not talking about something you'll be doing for the rest of your life, it's simply a stop gap solution to get you some money.

Your attitude is very much "I'm better than these people" and frankly, right now you ain't. There is no reason you can't get a basic job and earn some cash other than your big head not letting you apply for them. These people you see as failures are earning money, paying tax and at the moment, supporting you.

I fully support the benefits systems of the governments, but I do not support them giving money to people who don't work for ridiculous reasons such as those you are giving.

So far as your clothing/makeup goes, tuff. If you really are that desperate for cash, would it kill you to stick some 'male' clothes on for a few hours a day? No. You're just looking for excuses.

We're a post away from me completely losing it with you. Change your attitude. Change if fast.

 

[G037H3]

When you post something like this it's like you've just ignored the last 8 or so pages of this thread. You have no work experience and no marketable skills and don't have any money to pay next month's rent, so I really don't see how you can be so picky when it comes to jobs. I don't understand why you're not blanket-bombing every business that you have even the slightest chance of being hired by. The fact that you're not, and that you're still 'thinking' and posting here tells me that the situation may well not be as difficult as you've had us believe.

Or maybe I react to things differently than others. If I weren't trans and frail, I wouldn't have an issue with behaving in the manner of Diogenes. I intend on asking the libraries in the greater Seattle area this week whether or not they have any available positions. That's one thing. I'm just looking for other opportunities.

There is little point in chasing something that won't last.

 

[JaredJames]

There is little point in chasing something that won't last.

You don't want something that will last. You want something to get you some cash quickly. Once you've got that, you can work on getting something better and learning programming.

You can't go from nothing to a fairly good job just like that.

 

[G037H3]

You don't want something that will last. You want something to get you some cash quickly. Once you've got that, you can work on getting something better and learning programming.

You can't go from nothing to a fairly good job just like that.

Agreed. But I shouldn't put myself through needless suffering *if I can avoid it*. Going to sleep, it's already really late. :) I intend on contacting the major libraries in my area, and possibly signing on with a temp agency or two. I really am trying. :I

 

[JaredJames]

Apply to every company available. No matter what they are. You can't afford to be selective.

 

[cobalt124]

Hi Goethe, straight in I'm afraid. Read the last six posts and take it on board. Accept it and do something about it. Your situation is bad enough, don't let your attitude make it worse. Get a job, get some money, get somewhere to live, its siht yes, but you have to do it. I'm not just saying this out of my head, for what its worth in ten days my department announces a restructure that may involve 1/6 of the workforce redundancies, so by April next year I may be taking the advice I'm giving you, that is, get a job, any siht job, get the money in eat and have a roof over our heads. Drop the attitude, you can't afford it. Good luck.

John

 

[JaredJames]

I am sorry for my limited knowledge of the English language but I can't figure out what two posts above me mean really by "You can't afford to be selective" and "you can't afford the attitude" ?

Goethe tells us she is desperate for money, but then complains they can't find a 'suitable' job. Complaining that the work is 'below' her.

If she really is desperate, then any job will do to simply get some money.

That is what we mean by selective and attitude.

 

[xxChrisxx]

Also stop milking the fact that you are 'trans and frail'. It's really rather irrelevant as you aren't going to be Hod carrying. It's also really annoying to have it used as an excuse as to why you simply can't work anywhere that isn't exactly what you wanted to do anyway.

My 5 fold path to success (or at least payingfor your own food):

Stop moaning.
Get out to your local MaccyD's for a garbagety job.
Get paid whilst searching for a better job.
Find better job.
Quit garbagety job for better job.


EDIT: Just read the bit where you think you are a genius OP.

lol

 

[Oerg]

You just got to suck it up and pull through. If you really have to be homeless, it is not the end of the world, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_gardner" was homeless once.

 

[Jasongreat]

I'm also horrible at focusing on minuitae, so dishwashing is out...I have a very active mind, some of the most low-level positions are something I'd fail miserably at. And that's okay, I just need to focus on trying to find places I'd do well at.

Who says that if you do menial tasks you have to focus completely on that task, or that only idiots do physical tasks. One thing I like about doing manual labor is that it is physically demanding, but has a very low mental drain. The whole time you are washing dishes you could think about your philosophy, or anything else you heart desires, it doesn't take your full focus to wash a dish. For that matter running a shovel would help your fraility problem at the same time as earning you a paycheck. My mother used to have a little saying, "cant's a slugger to lazy to try", seems to fit your attitude fairly well.

 

[G037H3]

My situation has seemingly radically changed; I'm now looking for a job in Portland!

 

[JaredJames]

My situation has seemingly radically changed; I'm now looking for a job in Portland!

You finally got out of that place I take it? If so, well done. Does this make things better or worse for you?

 

[G037H3]

You finally got out of that place I take it? If so, well done. Does this make things better or worse for you?

Not quite. I met someone and they're coming to visit in less than a week; if they want me, I'm moving down to Portland o.o

 

[JaredJames]

Not quite. I met someone and they're coming to visit in less than a week; if they want me, I'm moving down to Portland o.o

Hmm, slightly concerned you're going to fall into exactly the same situation again.

I thought "get owner" was one of your last things to do.

Be careful. I'll be blunt, if it goes to sh*t I don't think anyone here will give you any sympathy again.

Aside from that, good luck.

 

[staddum]

Not quite. I met someone and they're coming to visit in less than a week; if they want me, I'm moving down to Portland o.o

Could you please explain that "if they want me" a little better please?

 

[JaredJames]

Could you please explain that "if they want me" a little better please?

You might want to read back through the last few pages.

 

[cobalt124]

Hi Goethe, drop the "get owner" thing and sort yourself out. You're using it to sort things out for you and it won't work, it can't. We can only sort out our own problems, other people, "owners" or whoever, can only help us avoid our problems and only temporarily. It will give you a pointless life where you are not even present to experience it, only somebody who has chosen that feeling good about a situation is some sort of life choice, it isn't. Get yourself sorted out FIRST, then look for an "owner" when you can do so on your own terms then you can be someone who is there experiencing these feelings on your own terms, and things will turn out a whole lot better for you, I guarantee it, it won't turn to siht, because YOU will be there to stop that happening. The way it is now, you're setting yourself up to be a helpless victim, and (I believe) blindly trusting total strangers who may not deserve that trust. Think on it, please.

 

[story645]

If this new plan goes south, http://www.youthcare.org/index.php/services/shelter2 is a shelter in Seattle that explicitly says that its residential programs house trans youth. Get in touch and see if you can get on their waitlists.
http://www.cityofseattle.net/humanservices/youth/altservices.htm .

As for the owner thing, uh you sure it's not tied to being abused? I'd strongly encourage putting abused on your list of things you want to get counseling for.

Of course the Canadian bank and Chase took $110

For the record, a friend said that's kind of standard for international money orders.

 

[Mech_Engineer]

I have a few small changes for xxChrisxx's 5 fold path to success:

1. Stop moaning! (most important)
2. Get out to your local MaccyD's for a garbagety job.
3. Get paid whilst searching for a better job.
4. Find better job.
5. Quit garbagety job after being accepted to the better job (important distinction).
6. Repeat and profit!

One of my not-so-wise friends told me this amazingly smart piece of advice once: "Don't quit your job until you get a better one."

 

[G037H3]

Hi Goethe, drop the "get owner" thing and sort yourself out. You're using it to sort things out for you and it won't work, it can't. We can only sort out our own problems, other people, "owners" or whoever, can only help us avoid our problems and only temporarily. It will give you a pointless life where you are not even present to experience it, only somebody who has chosen that feeling good about a situation is some sort of life choice, it isn't. Get yourself sorted out FIRST, then look for an "owner" when you can do so on your own terms then you can be someone who is there experiencing these feelings on your own terms, and things will turn out a whole lot better for you, I guarantee it, it won't turn to siht, because YOU will be there to stop that happening. The way it is now, you're setting yourself up to be a helpless victim, and (I believe) blindly trusting total strangers who may not deserve that trust. Think on it, please.

You don't seem to understand the functional aspect. I thrive under structure+direction, I do poorly on my own. It's pretty simple, really.

If this new plan goes south, YouthCare is a shelter in Seattle that explicitly says that its residential programs house trans youth. Get in touch and see if you can get on their waitlists.
Seattle.gov also has a list of services for GLBTQ youth that provide things like support groups and paid internships. For legal services, there's Street Youths Legal Advocates of Washington.

As for the owner thing, uh you sure it's not tied to being abused? I'd strongly encourage putting abused on your list of things you want to get counseling for.

Thanks for the links.

No, it's not from abuse. -_- Vanilla people commonly make strange assumptions such as this. Yes, there are *some* people who seek out D/s because they were abused; it's obvious who they are because they can't handle stress.

The posters here seem to believe that there is only one form of submission, and that is submission in a basic, societal sense. There is another, in which a person can open themselves to development and change, while (in my case, especially) being much more functional. I care about others; I don't really care about myself. So an opportunity to make someone else happy will result in more done then if I'm on my own.

I have a few small changes for xxChrisxx's 5 fold path to success:

1. Stop moaning! (most important)
2. Get out to your local MaccyD's for a garbagety job.
3. Get paid whilst searching for a better job.
4. Find better job.
5. Quit garbagety job after being accepted to the better job (important distinction).
6. Repeat and profit!


One of my not-so-wise friends told me this amazingly smart piece of advice once: "Don't quit your job until you get a better one."

Yes, this is likely what will occur. If I can't get a job, I'm just going to program all day until I'm worth throwing a project at. :P

 

[NeoDevin]

it's obvious who they are because they can't handle stress.

You?

 

[cobalt124]

Hi Goethe, I'm afraid I understand perfectly well and I know where it leads.

Saying "I am x, y and z" and this is it is a "choice of one" and can only lead in one (bad?) direction. Saying "My situation is x, y and z, but could it be p, q and r?" means there is somebody there making a choice even if the choice will be "x, y and z".

This D/s thing - if you wanted a situation where you did both the "D" and the "s" I could see that as less harmful to you and more consensual from you, but (I believe) you only do the "s" thing ("choice of one") and you are leaving yourself open for abuse (I apologise if my language is crude here I don't fully understand D/s, I do fully understand the "s" feelings that may be behind them).

I know these "s" feelings can be very strong, and can seem like everything at the expense of everything else. This is the aspect of them that needs challenging.

You seem to be choosing your location dependent on "s". Choose it dependent on job, or at least not on "s".

I hope you are clear that this is not linked to abuse, I could not comment as I don't know enough, but if you are that's good, I hope it's not just a false horizon because your hopes have been lifted in Portland.

Agree with Story645, and emphasize that you should go for the counselling and thrash this out. You have nothing to lose doing that.

I can handle stress now, that is why I can continue posting here.

Quote - "The posters here seem to believe that there is only one form of submission, and that is submission in a basic, societal sense. There is another, in which a person can open themselves to development and change, while (in my case, especially) being much more functional. I care about others; I don't really care about myself. So an opportunity to make someone else happy will result in more done then if I'm on my own."

Like I say I don't know much about D/s. A lot of years ago I saw a TV programme where a couple in a D/s relationship were interviewed. The ("s") guy was sat at some womans feet saying basically what you did and it just didn't look right. I suspect you would do the same without the bat of an eyelid.

That you can change for the better seems to me to be illusory. You will stay as you are and never changed. You have arrived at your destination at ?years old.

You have to be able to care about YOURSELF FIRST before you can begin to care about anyone else. How can you "Do unto others as..." if you don't know who you are (and I don't believe you do, but I may be wrong). CARE ABOUT YOURSELF, that's important (capitals for emphasis not shouting).

You seem to be making someone else happy at your own expense, which adds credibility to the notion that the source of this is abuse.

Hope you get a job. Take care.

John