Axial anomaly and broken Lorentz invariance

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between axial anomalies and Lorentz invariance, exploring theoretical implications and the nature of anomalies in gauge theories. Participants examine specific cases, such as the Chern-Simons term and its effects, as well as the role of U(1) and non-abelian gauge fields in generating anomalies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the axial anomaly is associated with breaking Lorentz invariance, while others clarify that this is contingent upon the addition of a Chern-Simons term to the Lagrangian, which requires a fixed vector.
  • There is a question regarding the necessity of non-abelian gauge fields for obtaining anomalies, with some participants affirming that U(1) symmetries can also be anomalous.
  • One participant explains that the axial anomaly in non-abelian gauge theories arises from a broken U(1) symmetry, detailing the decomposition of chiral symmetries in QCD.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation of U(1)A, with corrections acknowledged by participants.
  • Another participant raises a question about the connection between chiral anomalies and broken Lorentz invariance, indicating confusion about the implications of Jackiw's work.
  • One participant notes that chiral anomalies relate to constraints in the electroweak sector of the standard model, but expresses uncertainty about their relevance to Lorentz invariance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of axial anomalies for Lorentz invariance, with some clarifying misunderstandings while others maintain that the relationship is not straightforward. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these anomalies.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the understanding of anomalies can depend on the type of gauge field involved and the specific conditions under which they arise, such as the presence of instantons in non-abelian fields.

DrDu
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I had a look at Jackiws article on axial anomaly in scholarpedia:
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Axial_anomaly
Apparently, axial anomaly also breaks Lorentz invariance. Even if this effect would be very weak, doesn't this pull the plug on relativity?
 
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Jackiw is not claiming that the axial anomaly breaks Lorentz invariance by itself. Instead, he is saying that the Chern-Simons term (closely associated to the axial anomaly), when added to a four dimensional Lagragian in the form \epsilon^{abcd} n_a A_b \partial_c A_d with n_a a fixed vector of your choice, leads to a Lorentz non-invariant theory. Basically you have to pick the vector n. This theory also breaks CPT if memory serves.

A much more natural place to add the Chern-Simons term is in 2+1 dimensions where it preserves Lorentz invariance and is topological.
 
Ok, I understand.
Another question: Is it necessary to have a non-abelian gauge field to obtain an anomaly? I mean in general and not necessarily the axial anomaly. Would a U(1) not do?
 
U(1) symmetries can indeed be anomalous.
 
DrDu said:
Ok, I understand.
Another question: Is it necessary to have a non-abelian gauge field to obtain an anomaly? I mean in general and not necessarily the axial anomaly. Would a U(1) not do?

chrispb said:
U(1) symmetries can indeed be anomalous.

The axial anomaly of nonabelian gauge theories actually comes from a broken U(1) symmetry.
In QCD, you have U(N_f)_L\times U(N_f)_R chiral symmetry, with both a conserved left-handed current L^\mu and a right-handed one, R^\mu. It is now possible to make a linear combination of those two currents, leading to a vector current V^\mu=(L^\mu+R^\mu)/2 and an axial current A^\mu=(L^\mu-R^\mu)/2 (note: A^\mu is not the gauge field). The symmetry group is now U(N_f)_V\times U(N_f)_A, which is isomorphic to the original one. It now decomposes as

U(N_f)_V\times U(N_f)_A\equiv U(1)_V\times SU(N_f)_V\times U(1)_A\times SU(N_f)_A.

You can now analyze each part separately, and see what it does. You get the following results:
U(1)_V remains unbroken, it stands for baryon-number conservation.
SU(N_f)_V is broken in the case when quarks have different masses.
SU(N_f)_A is broken when quarks have nonzero mass.
U(1)_A is broken at quantum level for non-vanishing quark masses, that's what is referred to as chiral/axial anomaly.
 
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In the last line, did you mean U(1)A?
 
AdrianTheRock said:
In the last line, did you mean U(1)A?

Yes, I did, thank you! :) Corrected it!
 
Thank you, my question maybe aims at equation 19 in the scholarpedia article. As far as I can see, it is not stated to which field the potential A or the field strength F belongs. From the section "Mathematical Connections to Axial Symmetry Anomalies" I got the impression that it has to be a non-abelian gauge field. Which one and why does it have to be non-abelian?

Ok, I just learned that there are different anomalies depending on the particle type concerned (leptons or baryons) with F being either the electromagnetic or the gluon field (or both).
Apparently, either field will give rise to an anomaly. However, only in the case of non-abelian fields, the volume integral over the divergence of the axial current is non-vanishing when there are instantons.
 
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the basic ingredient are chiral structures; the vanishing of the sum of all chiral gauge-anomalies in the electro-weak sector of the standard model causes several constraints among the lepton couplings (electroweak isospin and hypercharge => electric charge).

Anyway - I don't get to the point why chiral anomalies shall have anything to do with broken Lorentz invariance
 
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tom.stoer said:
Anyway - I don't get to the point why chiral anomalies shall have anything to do with broken Lorentz invariance

Dear Tom, I misunderstood what Jackiw was saying. PhysicsMonkey (post no. 2) cleared up this already. Jackiw had written an article (I don't have the reference at hand) about the cosequences of adding a Chern Simons term to the Lagrangian. That's not directly related to anomalies.
 

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