Balancing a Rotating Shaft - Determining Masses & Positions

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the balancing of a rotating shaft. Participants explore the calculations required to determine the size and positions of masses needed to balance the shaft under specified bearing forces. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to dynamics and rotational motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the mass required to balance the shaft using a single mass and provides detailed calculations, including the angular velocity and forces involved.
  • Another participant repeats the problem statement and calculations, confirming the initial approach and results.
  • There is a suggestion that the mass m1 should be smaller than m2 due to the differing bearing reactions, indicating a potential misunderstanding or error in the calculations.
  • A later reply suggests considering the location along the shaft where the bearing reaction forces produce zero torque, hinting at an alternative method for solving the problem.
  • Another participant requests further clarification on the suggestion made regarding the torque balance, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the moment calculations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between the sizes of m1 and m2, with one participant suspecting an error in their calculations. There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations, and multiple viewpoints on the approach to the problem remain present.

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Some calculations may depend on assumptions about the system's configuration and the definitions of forces and moments. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or clarify all mathematical steps involved.

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Homework Statement


A.
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A shaft 2m long rotates at 1500 revs min-1 between bearings as shown. The bearings forces of 5kN and 3kN acting in the same plane as shown. A single mass is to be used to balance the shaft, so that the reactions are zero. The mass is to be placed at a radius of 200mm from the shaft centre, 180o from the direction of the bearing reactions. Determine the size and position (a and b) of the mass to be used.

B.
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The shaft in part A is to be balanced using two mases (m1 and m2) placed 0.5m and 1.5m from end A and 180o from the direction of the bearing reactions, each on radius arms 100mm long. Calculate the sizes of m1 and m2.

Homework Equations


F=m*r*ω2

The Attempt at a Solution


A.
ω=1500 revs min-1=1500*(2π/60)=50π rad s-1

To balance the shaft the bearing reactions must equal to centrifugal force of the mass.

RA+RB=F
F=5kN+3kN=8kN
F=m*r*ω2
8000=m*0.2*50π2
4934.8022m=8000
m=1.6211kg

Calculating moment about RB

RA*2-8*b=0
10-8b=0
8b=10
b=1.25m

a+b=2m
a=2-1.25=075m

B.
F1+F2=8kN

Taking moment about RB

RA*2-F1*1.5-F2*0.5=0
10-1.5*F1-0.5*F2=0
1.5*F1+0.5*F2=10

F1+F2=8
1.5*F1+0.5*F2=10

Solving equation

F1=8-F2
1.5*(8-F2)+0.5*F2=10
12-1.5*F2+0.5*F2=10
F2=2kN

F1+2=8
F1=6kN

F1=m1*r*ω2
6000=m1*0.1*50π2
2467.4011m1=6000
m1=2.4317kg

F2=m2*r*ω2
2000=m2*0.1*50π2
2467.4011m2=2000
m2=0.8106kg

Did I got it right?
I'm not sure where I went wrong, but I suspect the m1 should be smaller then m2 as RA is bigger then RB. Any tips?
 
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sponsoraw said:

Homework Statement


A.
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A shaft 2m long rotates at 1500 revs min-1 between bearings as shown. The bearings forces of 5kN and 3kN acting in the same plane as shown. A single mass is to be used to balance the shaft, so that the reactions are zero. The mass is to be placed at a radius of 200mm from the shaft centre, 180o from the direction of the bearing reactions. Determine the size and position (a and b) of the mass to be used.

B.
View attachment 86597

The shaft in part A is to be balanced using two mases (m1 and m2) placed 0.5m and 1.5m from end A and 180o from the direction of the bearing reactions, each on radius arms 100mm long. Calculate the sizes of m1 and m2.

Homework Equations


F=m*r*ω2

The Attempt at a Solution


A.
ω=1500 revs min-1=1500*(2π/60)=50π rad s-1

To balance the shaft the bearing reactions must equal to centrifugal force of the mass.

RA+RB=F
F=5kN+3kN=8kN
F=m*r*ω2
8000=m*0.2*50π2
4934.8022m=8000
m=1.6211kg

Calculating moment about RB

RA*2-8*b=0
10-8b=0
8b=10
b=1.25m

a+b=2m
a=2-1.25=075m

B.
F1+F2=8kN

Taking moment about RB

RA*2-F1*1.5-F2*0.5=0
10-1.5*F1-0.5*F2=0
1.5*F1+0.5*F2=10

F1+F2=8
1.5*F1+0.5*F2=10

Solving equation

F1=8-F2
1.5*(8-F2)+0.5*F2=10
12-1.5*F2+0.5*F2=10
F2=2kN

F1+2=8
F1=6kN

F1=m1*r*ω2
6000=m1*0.1*50π2
2467.4011m1=6000
m1=2.4317kg

F2=m2*r*ω2
2000=m2*0.1*50π2
2467.4011m2=2000
m2=0.8106kg

Did I got it right?
I'm not sure where I went wrong, but I suspect the m1 should be smaller then m2 as RA is bigger then RB. Any tips?
It looks right to me.

There is an easier way to do this.

Consider: At what location along the shaft, do the bearing reaction forces produce zero torque?
 
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Thanks SammyS for you reply. Can you expand a bit more on that?
 
sponsoraw said:
Thanks SammyS for you reply. Can you expand a bit more on that?
For part A:

Consider the moment about some point on the shaft, a distance ##\ x\ ## to the right of point A, the left end of the shaft. Find what value of ##\ x\ ## makes that moment zero.

##\displaystyle \ -(5x)+3(2-x)=0 \ ##
 
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