Balancing Forces on a String: Can Fus and Fsu be Equal and Opposite?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a string in the context of a unicycle rider towing a surfboard carrier. Participants are exploring the nature of tension forces and their relationship to acceleration and Newton's laws.

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  • Participants are questioning whether the forces Fus and Fsu can be equal and opposite on the string, and discussing the implications of tension in a massless string. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law to analyze the system, with some uncertainty about the correct approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the application of Newton's laws and the nature of forces in the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the cancellation of tension forces, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply these concepts to find acceleration.

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There is mention of potential complications such as friction and the weight of the string, which may affect the tension at its ends. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of basic principles, indicating a need for clarification on foundational concepts.

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Will Fus and Fsu be located on the string in equal and opposite directions?

I can do q (i) with F=ma, but unfortunately I cannot proceed to do so because I cannot answer question h!
 
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Let's think about it. The unicycle rider is towing the surfboard carrier with a string, this creates a tension force. Now, it is the unicycle rider accelerating, and remember that in order for there to be a force two objects have to be in contact (since it's not a non-contact force in this case). Does any of this help?
 
Yes, a massless string serves to transmit forces from its one one to the other - that is an object pulls on it and it pulls just as hard back on the object. Obviously the string cannot "generate" unequal forces at its ends - it has no internal energy source, it just transmits the force unaltered to its ends. If it does have a weight the attractive force of the Earth can alter the tensions at its ends. Also if the string drags over a surface (pulley) with friction the tension at its ends will not be the same since the interaction can change them.
 
(h) It is "easier" to apply N2 to the system. The tension forces cancels each other out and you therefore do not need to know their values.
 
Ok, so am I right in saying Fsu and Fus are located "on the string"?

I'm still unsure as to whether to take the system as one.. (lol, andrevdh you got in before I even finished my post!)
 
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Minor double check: when applying Newton's 2nd to find acceleration I only take the horizontal forces, correct?!

I've even forgotten the basics!

Hence I get...

120-10=100a
110=100a
a=11/10m/s^2
 
That is how I've got it too: 1.1 m/s^2
 
cool thanks!
 

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