Baseball dropped from building with air resistance

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a baseball dropped from the Empire State Building, focusing on the effects of air resistance on its motion. The problem requires calculating the initial potential energy, final kinetic energy, and energy dissipated due to air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate potential and kinetic energy while grappling with the effects of air resistance. They express confusion regarding the correct application of forces in their equations.
  • Some participants question the direction of the drag force relative to gravity and its implications on the motion of the baseball.
  • Others suggest clarifying the signs used in the equations and whether to apply linear or quadratic terms for air resistance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of F = ma and the direction of forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to the problem yet.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the use of linear versus quadratic terms for air resistance, which may affect the calculations. The original poster has not yet attempted part c of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A baseball (radius = 0.0366m, mass = 0.145kg) is dropped from rest at the top of the Empire State Building (height = 1250ft = 381m). Calculate (a) the initial potential energy of the baseball, (b) its final kinetic energy, and (c) the total energy dissipated by the falling baseball by computing the line integral of the force of air resistance along the baseball's total distance of fall. Compare this last result to the difference between the baseball's initial potential energy and its final kinetic energy.


Homework Equations


F = ma = -mg -cv
P.E.=mgh
c=1.1346\cdot 10^{-5}

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, it was easy to find the potential energy.

mgh = (0.145kg)(9.8m/s2)(381m) = 541 J

Part b is where I am stuck. I took down to be negative. For the force, we have

F = ma = -mg - cv

since I was told by the professor to use the linear term rather than quadratic. Then we have

ma=mv\frac{dv}{dx}=-mg-cv\Rightarrow \frac{mvdv}{-mg-cv}=dx
\Rightarrow \int \frac{mvdv}{-mg-cv}=\int dx

Where the limits of integration on the left are from v_0=0 to -v_f and the limits of integration on the right are from x_0=381m to x_f=0. We now have

\frac{-mv}{c}+\frac{m^2g\ln(mg+cv)}{c^2} evaluated using the bounds mentioned above, this is the left hand side. The right hand side is x_f-x_0=-381m.

Now we have
\frac{mv_f}{c}+\frac{m^2g\ln(mg-cv_f)}{c^2}-\frac{m^2g\ln(mg)}{c^2}=-381

I tried solving this numerically just using Maple, but the value I got for the final velocity does not make sense when I compare my answer for the final kinetic energy to the back of the book. The back of the book has the final kinetic energy as 87 J. Using the equation for kinetic energy

T=\frac{1}{2}mv^2

this means that the final velocity is 34, based on the final kinetic energy given in the back of the book. Which is far different from the final velocity of 86.39 that I get. Where am I going wrong?

Note: I have not tried to do part c yet, this is just focused on part b.
 
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Is the drag force on the baseball acting in the same direction as the force due to gravity? According to your F = ma equation, the ball should fall faster with drag than without. Does that seem logical?
 
The drag acts in opposition to the velocity (always in opposition to the direction of movement), so it should be acting in the opposite direction to the force due to gravity. However, in lecture, as something is falling the professor put mg and cv to be negative. So I'm wasn't sure what to do.
 
deekin said:
The drag acts in opposition to the velocity (always in opposition to the direction of movement), so it should be acting in the opposite direction to the force due to gravity. However, in lecture, as something is falling the professor put mg and cv to be negative. So I'm wasn't sure what to do.

Consider one of the directions to be positive. Let the downward direction be positive. mg acts downward and the resistive force upwards. Can you now apply F=ma?
 
Ah ok, thank you. For F = ma = mg - cv. However, I just got back from class and apparently he was mistaken, we were supposed to use the quadratic term for the air resistance rather than the linear. I've got it now, thanks again.
 

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