Basic Forces and Motion Problem (friction)

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving two masses on a frictionless surface with friction between them. Mass 1 (m1 = 100kg) accelerates at 6 m/s², while Mass 2 (m2 = 20kg) accelerates at 4 m/s² due to the frictional force. The applied force (Fpush) is calculated to be 680N, and the frictional force (Ff) must be considered as it affects the net force acting on m1. The correct approach involves recognizing that the frictional force on m2 originates from m1, thus influencing the overall calculations.

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  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion
  • Familiarity with the concept of frictional force
  • Ability to apply the formula F = ma
  • Basic knowledge of acceleration and mass relationships
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  • Calculate the frictional force (Ff) between the two masses
  • Explore the implications of frictionless surfaces in physics problems
  • Study the effects of varying mass on acceleration in Newton's second law
  • Investigate scenarios with and without friction to compare outcomes
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, educators, and anyone interested in understanding the dynamics of forces and motion, particularly in scenarios involving friction between objects.

Nragis
1. Homework Statement
You have two masses moving across a frictionless surface, yet there is friction between the two masses. Mass 2 is on top of Mass 1 A force is applied to m1 which causes It to accelerate at 6 m/s2 and the friction between the two masses causes m2 to accelerate at 4 m/s2

What is Ff? Fpush? Fnet,x?

m1 = 100kg
a1 = 6 m/s2
m2 = 20kg
a2= 4 m/s2

Homework Equations


F = ma
Newton’s third law

The Attempt at a Solution



Both my teacher and my classmates told me that this was wrong and you just plug the formula Fpush = (100kg+20kg)(6m/s) = Fnet,x, but this didn't make sense because the frictional force on m2 had to come from m1, so it was subtracted (added to opposite direction) of m1

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Nragis said:
1. Homework Statement
You have two masses moving across a frictionless surface, yet there is friction between the two masses. Mass 2 is on top of Mass 1 A force is applied to m1 which causes It to accelerate at 6 m/s2 and the friction between the two masses causes m2 to accelerate at 4 m/s2

What is Ff? Fpush? Fnet,x?

m1 = 100kg
a1 = 6 m/s2
m2 = 20kg
a2= 4 m/s2

Homework Equations


F = ma
Newton’s third law

The Attempt at a Solution



Both my teacher and my classmates told me that this was wrong and you just plug the formula Fpush = (100kg+20kg)(6m/s) = Fnet,x, but this didn't make sense because the frictional force on m2 had to come from m1, so it was subtracted (added to opposite direction) of m1

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You are correct. The applied force is 680N.
You could try asking your classmates: what if there were no friction between the blocks?
 
Okay, thanks for the reply. I just didn’t want to bring it up further if I was actually wrong
 

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