Basic limit question ( f(x) = x^2 )

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The discussion revolves around understanding the limit of the function f(x) = x^2 as x approaches a. Participants explore the conditions necessary to show that f(x) approaches a^2, specifically focusing on the inequalities involving |x - a| and |x + a|.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the choice of using |x - a| < min(1, eps/(2|a| + 1)) and seeks clarification on its necessity.
  • Another participant explains that |x^2 - a^2| can be expressed as |x - a||x + a|, indicating the need to bound |x + a|.
  • It is noted that bounding |x - a| < 1 helps keep |x + a| small, specifically less than (2|a| + 1).
  • Participants discuss that both conditions are required to ensure |x^2 - a^2| remains less than eps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for both bounding conditions but do not reach a consensus on the reasoning behind the specific choice of min(1, eps/(2|a| + 1)).

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the bounds are necessary for the limit proof, but the specific reasoning for choosing the minimum value remains unclear to some participants.

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f(x) = x^2 and we want to show that as x -> a, f(x) -> a^2.

So, we must ensure that |x^2 - a^2| < eps.

The book (Calculus by Spivak) starts of by bounding |x - a| < 1 which leads us to
|x + a| < 2|a| + 1.

This is the part where I get lost:
I can understand that we require |x - a| < eps/ (2|a| + 1),
but
why do we choose |x - a| < min(1, eps/ (2|a| + 1)) ?

And what happens if min(1, eps/ (2|a| + 1)) = 1 ?

Thank you very much for your help in advance! :)
 
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hi ltjrpliskin! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

|x2 - a2| = |x - a||x + a|,

so we need |x + a| to be bounded

any bound would do, but it seems most sensible to use 1 :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi ltjrpliskin! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

|x2 - a2| = |x - a||x + a|,

so we need |x + a| to be bounded

any bound would do, but it seems most sensible to use 1 :wink:


Okay, but can you help me understand why we chose the minimum of 1 and eps/ (2|a| + 1)? :)
 
we want |x - a||x + a| to be small …

|x - a| < 1 keeps |x + a| small, in fact < (2|a| + 1)

|x - a| < ε/ (2|a| + 1), keeps |x - a| small,

and both together keep the whole thing < ε :wink:

so we need both conditions … it won't work if |x - a| can be unbounded
 
tiny-tim said:
we want |x - a||x + a| to be small …

|x - a| < 1 keeps |x + a| small, in fact < (2|a| + 1)

|x - a| < ε/ (2|a| + 1), keeps |x - a| small,

and both together keep the whole thing < ε :wink:

so we need both conditions … it won't work if |x - a| can be unbounded

Ahh! Okay, thank you very much :)
That was much simpler than expected haha :)
 

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