Basic treatment of the hydrogen atom through wave mechanics.

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The discussion focuses on the treatment of the hydrogen atom through wave mechanics, particularly in the context of quantum chemistry. Participants explore the potential energy operator, the separation of the Schrödinger equation, and the implications of using different coordinate systems in the analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the omission of the factor k (1 / 4*pi*epsilon) in the potential energy operator -Ze^2/r, suggesting it may relate to the use of Gaussian (cgs) units.
  • Another participant proposes that the separation of the Schrödinger equation into wavefunctions for translational motion and interaction raises questions about the use of relative coordinates in spherical coordinates.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the graphical interpretation of the system when using relative coordinates instead of the usual r/theta/phi.
  • One participant suggests that a more modern textbook might be beneficial, though the reasoning behind this suggestion is not fully explored.
  • Another participant seeks recommendations for textbooks that maintain mathematical rigor while focusing on chemistry applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple competing views regarding the appropriateness of the textbook being used and the implications of the coordinate system choices. There is no consensus on whether the treatment of the hydrogen atom is outdated or if the units used are problematic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different unit systems (SI vs. Gaussian) and express varying levels of comfort with mathematical rigor in quantum chemistry texts. The implications of using relative coordinates in spherical coordinates remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in quantum chemistry, particularly those interested in the mathematical foundations and coordinate systems used in wave mechanics.

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Hey there. I'm trying to redo basic quantum chemistry with a lot more rigor. I'm currently using Pauling's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics With Applications to Chemistry". Here is a copy of the page(s) I will be referring to:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vd...X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA113,M1

I'm getting caught up in the basic details. So... I have a few questions for the experts.

1. The potential energy operator is defined as -Ze^2/r. Excuse my stupidity, but why was the factor of k (1 / 4*pi*epsilon) left out? It seems like the rest of the equation is in SI.

2. The Schrödinger equation can be separated into the product of a wavefunction which deals with the translational motion of the atom, and another wavefunction which describes the interaction between the proton and electron... It makes sense to me to let x,y, and z equal the center of mass of the system. I'm a little confused as to why the "relative" x,y, and z coordinates are used for the substitution in spherical coordinates. Rather... I don't understand the consequences of such substitutions. You can't really interpret the system graphically in terms of the usual r/theta/phi, because they don't have their usual meaning in this case.

The rest is just calculus which I can definitely handle :) Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I would pick up a more modern textbook, there are plenty of them
 
scorpion990 said:
1. The potential energy operator is defined as -Ze^2/r. Excuse my stupidity, but why was the factor of k (1 / 4*pi*epsilon) left out? It seems like the rest of the equation is in SI.

He's probably using Gaussian (cgs) units, in which the unit of charge is defined such that Coulomb's Law reads

F = \frac{q_1 q_2}{r^2}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centimeter_gram_second_system_of_units
 
Thanks to both =)

Why do you think I should pick up another book? Is the treatment of the hydrogen atom archaic, or is the use of units archaic? Every other undergraduate quantum chemistry book I looked at is really light on the math. And I don't quite feel the need to expose myself to too many applications which don't deal with chemistry.

Anyway... What book would you recommend?
 

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