Basics of using the isolating transformer

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The discussion centers around the use of isolating transformers for galvanic isolation in a circuit involving an instrumentation amplifier (AD620) and differential signals. Participants explore various methods for achieving signal isolation, including transformer configurations and optoisolators, while addressing specific signal characteristics such as frequency and amplitude.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Meereck inquires about wiring for galvanic isolation using transformers and the suitability of 1:1 versus 1:1:1 transformers.
  • Participants request additional information about the input signal's amplitude and frequency to provide more tailored advice.
  • Meereck specifies the differential signal is a sine wave in the range of 50-100 kHz with an amplitude of about 0.5 Volts.
  • One participant suggests that if the frequency is 50-100 kHz, a 1:1 transformer could be used, but if it is 50 Hz-100 kHz, a transformer may not be suitable for such a wide frequency range.
  • Another participant proposes isolating the entire input amplifier and ADC circuit and using optical communication to transmit data.
  • Discussion arises regarding the use of linear optoisolators, with some participants expressing skepticism about their linearity and common applications in analog coupling.
  • References to specific components, such as the HCNR201 from Agilent, are made as potential solutions for isolation.
  • Meereck asks about the implications of using a 1:1:1 transformer for differential signals and whether decoupling capacitors should be included.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate transformer configuration and the use of optoisolators, indicating that multiple competing approaches exist without a consensus on the best solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of different transformer configurations or the effectiveness of optoisolators in this context. There are also uncertainties regarding the specific frequency range and its impact on the choice of isolation method.

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Hello, I have a differential signal going into an instrumentation amplifier (AD620).
I would like to employ galvanic isolation on the inputs of AD620.
Would anyone be so kind and tell me how it shall be wired?
I don't know much about signal isolation. Shall 1:1 or 1:1:1 transformer be used?
Can I also employ transils for protection - where to place them?

Thanks in advance,
regards Meereck
 
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We need to know a little more about what the input signal looks like. What's it amplitude and frequency, etc.
 
hello, differentially, it is basically a sine wave in the range between 50-100kHz
Amplitude about 0.5 Volts. I use AD620 for amplifying the signal.
thanks, M.
 
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meereck said:
hello, differentially, it is basically a sine wave in the range between 50-100kHz
thanks, M.

50Hz-100kHz, or 50kHz-100kHz? It makes a big difference. If b), then you can use a 1:1 transformer designed to operate in that frequency band. If a), then you will not be able to use a transformer for such a wide range of frequencies. Instead, you would probably be better off isolating the full input amp & ADC circuit, and optically communicating with the ADC to get the data.
 
How about a linear optoisolator?
 
Pumblechook said:
How about a linear optoisolator?

Optos aren't linear, generally aren't used for analog coupling. Digitizing first and sending the digital date through an opto would be fairly common.

There were some linear optos a while back (maybe from Linear Technology?), but I don't think they found any volume applications. Pretty pricey chips, as I recall.
 
Agilent make some.

http://dev.emcelettronica.com/voltage-conversions-galvanic-isolation

3.7 Euros in France..

HCNR201
 
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thanks guys for ideas,
the frequency will be 50kHz-100kHz.
I read something about using 1:1:1 transformer for differential signals. Does it make any difference?
Should some decoupling capacitors be used?
have a nice weekend.
M.
 

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