Basis of 2x2 matrices with real entries

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The discussion centers on identifying the basis of 2x2 matrices with real entries, exploring the relationship between these matrices and their representation in vector spaces. Participants compare this scenario to the basis of complex 2x2 matrices and discuss the implications of commutativity among matrices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the basis of 2x2 matrices with real entries, referencing the basis for complex matrices.
  • Another participant suggests that selecting a basis for 2x2 matrices is analogous to selecting a basis for ##\mathbf{R}^4##.
  • There is a proposal for a basis consisting of four specific matrices, which some participants agree is valid but note that it is not unique.
  • One participant asserts that matrices commuting with a specific set of matrices must be of the form ##\mathrm{diag}(a,a) = aI##, indicating a relationship to the identity matrix.
  • Another participant clarifies that commutativity is not relevant when discussing the basis for ##\mathbb M_{2\times2}##, emphasizing the need for four linearly independent matrices.
  • There is a discussion about the Pauli matrices and their role as a basis for Hermitian 2x2 complex matrices, with some participants disputing their sufficiency for all complex matrices.
  • Participants note that the classification of matrices depends on whether the field of scalars is real or complex, leading to differing dimensions for the vector spaces involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the proposed bases for complex matrices, with some asserting that the Pauli matrices plus the identity do not form a complete basis for all complex 2x2 matrices. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of commutativity and the nature of the basis for real versus complex matrices.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of bases and the dimensionality of the vector spaces, particularly in distinguishing between real and complex entries. The relationship between commutativity and the basis is also not fully resolved.

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What is the basis of 2x2 matrices with real entries? I know that the basis of 2x2 matrices with complex entries are 3 Pauli matrices and unit matrix:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix},
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; -i \\[0.3em]<br /> i &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; -1 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
What about in the case of real 2x2 matrices? How many matrices is there in the basis?
 
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It's the same problem as selecting a basis of ##\mathbf{R}^4## e.g. via the correspondence ##\begin{pmatrix} a_1 & a_2 \\ a_3 & a_4 \end{pmatrix} \leftrightarrow (a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)##
 
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So I again need four matrices? As in a complex case? Is the basis then
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix},
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix},
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}?
 
That's fine, but it's of course not unique.
 
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Yes. Thank you. So I can see if some 2x2 matrix
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> a_{11} &amp; a_{12} \\[0.3em]<br /> a_{21} &amp; a_{22} \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
commute with
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
then the matrix commute with any 2x2 matrix?
 
Well yes, but I think the only matrices that commute with all four of those are of the form ##\mathrm{diag}(a,a) = aI##, i.e. multiples of the identity.
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
Yes. Thank you. So I can see if some 2x2 matrix
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> a_{11} &amp; a_{12} \\[0.3em]<br /> a_{21} &amp; a_{22} \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
commute with
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 \\[0.3em]<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\[0.3em]<br /> \end{bmatrix}
then the matrix commute with any 2x2 matrix?
Since you're asking about a basis for ##\mathbb M_{2\times2}##, square matrices of order 2 with real entries, commutivity doesn't enter into things. For a basis, you need four linearly independent matrices ##M_1, M_2, M_3, M_4## that span ##\mathbb M_{2\times2}##. The matrices you list in post 5 are the standard basis for this space, although as already stated, there are other possibilities for a basis.
 
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ergospherical said:
Well yes, but I think the only matrices that commute with all four of those are of the form ##\mathrm{diag}(a,a) = aI##, i.e. multiples of the identity.
Yes of course. It is also a center of group ##GL_2(\mathbb{R})##.
 
Mark44 said:
Since you're asking about a basis for ##\mathbb M_{2\times2}##, square matrices of order 2 with real entries, commutivity doesn't enter into things. For a basis, you need four linearly independent matrices ##M_1, M_2, M_3, M_4## that span ##\mathbb M_{2\times2}##. The matrices you list in post 5 are the standard basis for this space, although as already stated, there are other possibilities for a basis.
Ok. But using that you can for instance to find the center of group ##GL_2(\mathbb{R})##.
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
So I again need four matrices? As in a complex case?

The Pauli matrices plus the identity are not a basis for all complex 2x2 matrices. They are a basis for the Hermitian 2x2 complex matrices.

To cover all 2x2 complex matrices you need a basis with 8 elements.
 
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Really I am pretty sure that I read that those matrices are basis in ##\mathbb{C}^{2x2}##.
 
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The Bill said:
The Pauli matrices plus the identity are not a basis for all complex 2x2 matrices. They are a basis for the Hermitian 2x2 complex matrices.

To cover all 2x2 complex matrices you need a basis with 8 elements.
LagrangeEuler said:
Really I am pretty sure that I read that those matrices are basis in ##\mathbb{C}^{2x2}##.
This all depends whether the field of scalars are the Real or Complex numbers. Complex 2x2 matrices can be seen as a 4D Vector Space over ##\mathbb C##, and the set of Hermitian matrices is not a subspace. Or, they can be seen as an 8D Vector Space over ##\mathbb R##, in which case the set of Hermitian matrices is a 4D subspace.
 
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