Bead on a rotating stick and the Lagrangian

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of a bead sliding on a rotating stick, specifically analyzing the conserved quantity E derived from the Lagrangian mechanics framework. The Lagrangian is expressed as $$L = \frac{m(r'^{2} + (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$, leading to the conserved quantity $$E = \frac{m(r'^{2} - (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$. It is clarified that this conserved quantity does not represent the total energy of the bead due to the constant angular velocity $$\dot{\theta} = \omega$$, which affects the form of the Lagrangian.

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Homework Statement
A stick is pivoted at the origin and is arranged to swing around in a
horizontal plane at constant angular speed ω. A bead of mass m slides
frictionlessly along the stick. Let r be the radial position of the bead.
Find the conserved quantity E given in Eq. (6.52). Explain why this
quantity is not the energy of the bead.
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A stick is pivoted at the origin and is arranged to swing around in a
horizontal plane at constant angular speed ω. A bead of mass m slides
frictionlessly along the stick. Let r be the radial position of the bead.
Find the conserved quantity E given in Eq. (6.52). Explain why this
quantity is not the energy of the bead.

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I came across with such question and i am a little confuse with the answer.
$$L = \frac{m(r'^{2} + (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$
$$E = \frac{m(r'^{2} + (r\theta ')^{2})}{1}- \frac{m(r'^{2} + (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$
$$E = \frac{m(r'^{2} + (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$

But the answer should be... $$E = \frac{m(r'^{2} - (r\theta ')^{2})}{2}$$
 

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Since ##\dot{\theta} = \omega## is constant, ##L = L(r)## only. So ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{r}} \dot{r} = m\dot{r}^2## but ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}} = 0##. Then, since ##L = T - V = T = \frac{1}{2} m \dot{r}^2 + \frac{1}{2}mr^2 \omega^2##, you get the desired result, i.e. the conserved quantity is$$Q = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{r}^2 - \frac{1}{2}mr^2 \omega^2$$but this is not the energy.
 
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etotheipi said:
Since ##\dot{\theta} = \omega## is constant, ##L = L(r)## only. So ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{r}} \dot{r} = m\dot{r}^2## but ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}} = 0##. Then, since ##L = T - V = T = \frac{1}{2} m \dot{r}^2 + \frac{1}{2}mr^2 \omega^2##, you get the desired result, i.e. the conserved quantity is$$Q = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{r}^2 - \frac{1}{2}mr^2 \omega^2$$but this is not the energy.
Oh, My partial derivative with respect to the theta dot was wrong. Thx
 
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