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Lots did, back in the day. VFDs too.hutchphd said:Was it the Wang calculator/computer that had a Nixie tube readout?
Yes. I remember seeing Nixies on the ones at a Lab I worked in that were controlling large air handlers.Vanadium 50 said:VFDs too
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_gunberkeman said:Was it a cap gun? That's amazing that you still have it.![]()
edit: mine is made of cast iron.A cap gun, cap pistol, or cap rifle is a toy gun that creates a loud sound simulating a gunshot and smoke when a small percussion cap is ignited. Cap guns were originally made of cast iron, but after World War II were made of zinc alloy, and most newer models are made of plastic. Cap guns get their name from the small discs of shock-sensitive explosive compounds (roughly 1.4 to 1.6 millimetres (0.055 to 0.063 in) in diameter) that provide the noise and smoke, ...
I doubt that; "pot metal" doesn't rust, and there were no toys from my youth that were NOT manufactured from "same." That has to be turn of (last) century.dlgoff said:either 71 or 72 years old.
It's made of iron which does rust.Bystander said:I doubt that; "pot metal" doesn't rust,
Most of my cap guns were made of plastic or pot metal, and didn't last more than a year or two. I did have a Davey Crockett flintlock rifle cap gun that lasted for many years though. I don't know if the action was made out of cast iron, but it was definitely of better quality than most of my pot metal toys. The "ram rod" was definitely made out of low-grade iron/steel, though. It fired these light cork balls that you rammed down the barrel, just like Davey did!Bystander said:I doubt that; "pot metal" doesn't rust, and there were no toys from my youth that were NOT manufactured from "same."
None of mine lasted more than a few weeks and I always tried to take care of my stuff because I didn't get that much stuff. Must be because toys were so much better built back in the dark ages. Lolberkeman said:Most of my cap guns were made of plastic or pot metal, and didn't last more than a year or two.
Yep!DaveE said:I kept my own set of plotter pens in my desk since other EEs would wear them out.
Yeah, I usually didn't mind the changes to the user interface as we went through the generations of instruments; usually it was just a little different with new capabilities. But the latest generation of mixed signal oscilloscopes that we bought have a super-non-intuitive user interface with a main overloaded concentric ring control that still baffle me when I use them (Tek 4034 MSOs, the control is in the upper right of the image below). I can usually get close to what I want, but there are usually other things/garbage still on the display that I can't figure out how to get rid of. Sort of like the GUI interface changes in the latest Windows versions (that I turn off whenever I can)...DaveE said:I still love the excellent user interface with buttons and knobs, right on par with an old Tek 465, HP 3585, and such.
Yes. It was inevitable, and cost and feature wise essential. From the instrument designers perspective there is really no other way. Can you imagine a modern spectrum analyzer without menus, where every knob has a dedicated function? They'd look like an old 747 cockpit. It just doesn't work now that instruments are so much more flexible. Those knobs and buttons are a big labor cost and come with reliability problems too. There were lots of things that FRA just wouldn't do. It's a fair tradeoff IMO.berkeman said:I usually didn't mind the changes to the user interface as we went through the generations of instruments; usually it was just a little different with new capabilities.
I remember a pretty unpopular laser we (tried) to sell. After it had been out for a while and sales went to zero we just kept 1 in stock and mothballed manufacturing. Manufacturing and service became the engineer who designed it, which he hardly ever had to actually do. If there was a real problem, we'd probably just give them the better model. No one bought it, but it literally took years for the company to remove it from our "catalog".DaveE said:I was really surprised to see you can still buy it
All fair points. But have you ever tried to use a 4034? Seriously, I can set every knob and switch on a curve tracer before turning on the trace (which is a good interview question for EEs, IMO), but that 4034 overloaded concentric ring control thing is a royal PITA, IMO. I guess I need to watch the Tek instruction videos or something. Never had to do that before...DaveE said:Yes. It was inevitable, and cost and feature wise essential. From the instrument designers perspective there is really no other way. Can you imagine a modern spectrum analyzer without menus, where every knob has a dedicated function? They'd look like an old 747 cockpit. It just doesn't work now that instruments are so much more flexible. Those knobs and buttons are a big labor cost and come with reliability problems too. There were lots of things that FRA just wouldn't do. It's a fair tradeoff IMO.
um... nope. But there are good and bad UIs with any technology. I'm convinced that in my day the fact (yes, FACT) that everyone wanted Tek Scopes but HP Spectrum Analyzers was because of the UIs in each. It can be easily overlooked in instrument companies that are focused on the spec sheet.berkeman said:All fair points. But have you ever tried to use a 4034? Seriously, I can set every knob and switch on a curve tracer before turning on the trace (which is a good interview question for EEs, IMO), but that 4034 overloaded concentric ring control thing is a royal PITA, IMO. I guess I need to watch the Tek instruction videos or something. Never had to do that before...
I've been also completely baffled by some new scope recently, but then overcome the hurdle.berkeman said:But the latest generation of mixed signal oscilloscopes that we bought have a super-non-intuitive user interface with a main overloaded concentric ring control that still baffle me when I use them
That's a good idea; I'll try it the next time I use that 'scope. Thanks.Rive said:The key was to stick a mouse in the back of the thing and use the screen instead![]()
DaveE said:Look what I found stashed away in the top of my cabinet. Maybe not electrical, but it is old. Suitable for framing, I think.
Remember when an 8" floppy "diskette" with 360K was state of the art in portable storage? Remember CP/M, my first PC OS? No, y'all are probably too young for that flash in the tech pan.
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DaveE said:Look what I found stashed away in the top of my cabinet. Maybe not electrical, but it is old. Suitable for framing, I think.
Remember when an 8" floppy "diskette" with 360K was state of the art in portable storage? Remember CP/M, my first PC OS? No, y'all are probably too young for that flash in the tech pan.
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If the battery is soldered in, as many early ones were, you might want to read the old thread that the below quote came from.collinsmark said:So then I keep meaning to look around for what can be used as a fresh CMOS battery. I'm sure there's at least one around here somewhere. It'll turn up.
Tom.G said:And yes, you do have to clean afterwards. The flux residue absorbs moisture from the air and is partially conductive. As an example, one time I worked on a computer motherboard and failed to clean the flux off. The area was around the CMOS backup battery, a coin cell. They typically last a few to several years. Not this one, it lasted three weeks. So did its replacement. Had to remove the motherboard and wash off the flux!
Pretty cool, thanks Dave.DaveE said:
Awesome. Perfect for this Beauty thread. And from their link, https://opencircuitsbook.com/, I see many things that I've used and probably still have today, somewhere.DaveE said:
I used to test 8" HDDs when 5.25" HDDs just came out with the Seagate ST-506 6 MB with a stepper driver. six megabytes could store hundreds of Apple ][ programs.DaveE said:Look what I found stashed away in the top of my cabinet. Maybe not electrical, but it is old. Suitable for framing, I think.
Remember when an 8" floppy "diskette" with 360K was state of the art in portable storage? Remember CP/M, my first PC OS? No, y'all are probably too young for that flash in the tech pan.
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I'm old enough to remember thatDaveE said:Remember when an 8" floppy "diskette" with 360K was state of the art in portable storage? Remember CP/M, my first PC OS? No, y'all are probably too young for that flash in the tech pan.
I think my 1st exposure to 8" diskettes was the IBM Series 1 boot disk every day when the OS was rebooted. circa 1979.DennisN said:
In 1994, a family friend brought me a zx spectrum computer. It consisted of one keyboard and a monitor. The games were downloaded from a cassette recorder, and during the download process it was necessary to manually hold the passkey so that the stripes on the screen moved at a certain speed. In 1996, this man brought a zx spectrum computer with a metal system unit and it used such floppy disks. I have a lot of good and bright memories associated with these computers. I still sometimes play zx spectrum games in a program on a modern computer.DaveE said:Look what I found stashed away in the top of my cabinet. Maybe not electrical, but it is old. Suitable for framing, I think.
Remember when an 8" floppy "diskette" with 360K was state of the art in portable storage? Remember CP/M, my first PC OS? No, y'all are probably too young for that flash in the tech pan.
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The 12AX7 continues to be used in guitar amplifiers today. I don't know why they worry you, it is just a matched pair of N-channel FETs, in a hermetic glass envelope, with a 12V pilot lamp.DaveE said:Thank god I never met one of these tube amps IRL, they look like a PITA to a guy raised on ICs.
It might be that I think ±300V power supplies are a PITA. It might be the reliability of things that require heaters and vacuum seals. It might be that they are just really big and expensive for what they do. Maybe it's about supply chain and manufacturability issues. The market place has voted, and tubes like this lost a long, long time ago.Baluncore said:I don't know why they worry you