Beauty of old electrical and measuring things, etc.

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The discussion revolves around the appreciation and revival of old electrical devices and measuring instruments. Participants share their experiences with collecting, restoring, and displaying vintage gadgets, as well as the beauty they find in these items. The scope includes personal anecdotes, technical descriptions of devices, and reflections on craftsmanship and history.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a lifelong fascination with old devices and describes various items in their collection, including vintage electrical components and measuring instruments.
  • Another participant comments on the beauty of the collection and the craftsmanship of the devices, suggesting that they serve as reminders of past engineering practices.
  • Some participants question the age of certain items, noting that they appear newer when compared to other vintage pieces.
  • There are mentions of specific devices, such as an HP 651A Test Oscillator, and discussions about their historical significance and functionality.
  • Participants share personal stories about where they found their vintage items, including interactions with local collectors and experiences from their youth.
  • Several participants express a desire to share their own collections and contribute to the discussion with photos of their old devices.
  • One participant raises the idea of a new genre called "electric punk," inspired by the aesthetic of vintage electrical devices.
  • Another participant shares details about temperature measuring devices, including thermocouples and glass thermometers, contributing to the technical aspect of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While participants generally appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of old devices, there is no consensus on the exact age or significance of certain items. Multiple views are expressed regarding the categorization of devices as "old," and the discussion remains open-ended with various contributions and perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference specific technical details and historical contexts of devices, but there are unresolved questions about the exact age and classification of certain items. Participants also express uncertainty about the functionality of some devices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to collectors of vintage electronics, enthusiasts of electrical engineering history, and individuals interested in the aesthetics of old measuring instruments.

  • #511
hutchphd said:
(Type 201-A tubes)
It's similar to this Raytheon B-H vacuum tube, which I tested and still works (it's a little dirty until I get a chance to clean it up). What I think is cool is the 4-pin vibration proof socket:

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  • #512
hutchphd said:
glass sphere which makes very nice coronal discharges.
Yep.
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It's also cool how it induces these flicker bulbs to light.
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The one on the left is very old.
 
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  • #514
Not electrical nor measuring, but still a beauty IMO.
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It needs a little work; a new nose cone and a few holes.
 
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  • #515
What about the plane?
 
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  • #516
Here's what the engine looks like. I'm not sure what the fuel is; will have to do some research.
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  • #518
jedishrfu said:
Something like glow fuel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_fuel
Thank you Sir. That will help with me finding some. However I'm not sure I really want to try to start it. Might take off a finger. :(
 
  • #519
I saw some items on Amazon and there are some videos on YouTube to help. Here's the first one that popped up after a quick search.



You might be able to contact the channel owner about your specific plane too.

Fuel on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=model+airplane+fuel&ref=nb_sb_noss

I remember the fuel having a kind of sweet smell like a mix of kerosene and oil maybe? I figured to oil is needed for this type of engine.
 
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  • #520
jedishrfu said:
Fuel on Amazon:
Thank You
 
  • #521
Here's a couple photos of one of my beauties, wood and onyx with no wires:
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  • #522
Here's an old beauty I've had put back for a while and it actually measures something fairly fundamental.
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  • #523
Beautiful. My dad was a clock collector, and he had a couple that looked much like that. Who was the clockmaker?
 
  • #524
anorlunda said:
Beautiful. My dad was a clock collector, and he had a couple that looked much like that. Who was the clockmaker?
Only thing I can find is "Seth Thomas".
 
  • #525
@arnorlunda
Do you think it's rare or worth anything?
 
  • #526
dlgoff said:
@arnorlunda
Do you think it's rare or worth anything?
I'm not an expert on antiques or collectibles. But I think Seth Thomas is quality but not rare.
 
  • #527
anorlunda said:
I'm not an expert on antiques or collectibles. But I think Seth Thomas is quality but not rare.
Thank you. I did some google searching but couldn't find one like it.
 
  • #528
Here's another big beauty that's needing a lot of work (it does involve a little electricity):
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  • #529
I got the old clock mounted with my other meters and gauges (which needs some glass cleaning).
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  • #530
Looks nice on that wall. Looks like you're running out of wall space, though! :smile:
 
  • #531
Is it running? .does it keep good time?
 
  • #532
anorlunda said:
Is it running? .does it keep good time?
The hands are in a different position compared to the previous pictures, so I'm assuming it is running. I want to know if it chimes every 15 minutes... :smile:
 
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  • #533
berkeman said:
Looks nice on that wall. Looks like you're running out of wall space, though! :smile:
I am. Had to use one of my book shelf stands in my storm shelter for the radios in there. Now I've got stacks of books in the spare bedroom. :oldcry:
 
  • #534
anorlunda said:
Is it running? .does it keep good time?
It runs for a while then stops. I'm going to open the clock mechanisms and do a little cleaning, etc. It chimes okay if you manually set the hands.
 
  • #535
berkeman said:
I want to know if it chimes every 15 minutes...
No. Only on the hour. Thank goodness.
 
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  • #536
dlgoff said:
It runs for a while then stops. I'm going to open the clock mechanisms and do a little cleaning, etc. It chimes okay if you manually set the hands.
The effective way to clean a clock works is in an ultrasonic bath. That would mean removing the works and finding someplace to send it off for cleaning. That may be more effort than you care to invest.

It is easy to overlook the time, trouble and expense that prior generations had to spend to keep their mechanical timepieces functional.

Edit: That reminds me of another thing I miss from my years on the boat. The ships clock, sounding up to 8 bells every watch became an important part of our lives.
 
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  • #537
anorlunda said:
Is it running? .does it keep good time?
I've gotten it running great. It looses just about 30 seconds/hour; I'll shorten the pendulum length a little. There's a very fine thread screw built into the hanging mass:
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Once I got the hands in the right position for the chiming, it has chimed the correct number of time every hour.
 
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  • #538
anorlunda said:
The effective way to clean a clock works is in an ultrasonic bath.
I have an heated ultrasonic cleaner that I use on my optical project; which had been neglected for a year or so, but I've already got it going without much cleaning. (See above post)
 
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  • #539
dlgoff said:
I have an heated ultrasonic cleaner that I use on my optical project; which had been neglected for a year or so, but I've already got it going without much cleaning. (See above post)
Very cool. A while back, I was doing some research into mechanical wind up mantel clocks, and I finally learned from a youtube video the reasoning behind "don't apply too much oil to a clock". I just always thought it was to keep things neat and clean (pride in workmanship), and to avoid accumulating dust that might work its way into the bearing.

But it was explained that just the right amount of oil was enough so that the surface tension held the oil drop in place, clinging to the bearing. This kept it oiled for a reasonably long time. If you applied "too much", it would run out, break the surface tension, and you ended up with less oil in the bearing. So a little counterintuitive, but I think Mies van der Rohe would agree "Less is More".

Maybe this is common knowledge, but it was new to me.
 
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